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Game Thread Game Two: #1 Ohio State 24, #2 Texas 7 (9/9/06)

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campies said:
2) #6 Texas A&M, W 26-24, 1998- Back in the days of A&M being a good program; much like OSU with defense and special teams being their calling card. The Wrecking Crew w/ Dat Nyuegn and co. was legit and would keep them in any game. More famous because Ricky broke the run which broke the record that day. Pretty sweet game.
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Just being a smart ass, but this is the same team to tOSU crushed int he Sugar bowl, right?
 
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gregorylee said:
Just being a smart ass, but this is the same team to tOSU crushed int he Sugar bowl, right?
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Uh huh. We crushed these guys in a bowl too ...

3) #16 Kansas State, W 24-20, 2003 - The VY debut, this was a game that showed us all what he was truly about. After basically fracturing his ankle, but not, coming back on the field with a prayer and a tape-job to lead one of the most spectacular and emotional comebacks I've ever seen. Regardless of its dimensions, DKR was louder that day than maybe any stadium I've ever heard, and thats not something that I would have ever said if it hadn't happened. Oh yea, #16 doesn't sound all that great, but that KSU team went on to have a great year despite some injuries, waxing an OU team that waxed us earlier in the year, and playing in the Fiesta Bowl, though you guys probably have your own opinions on how that one went.
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Both UT and tOSU will have player's that did not play in last year's game. Here are just a few from UT who I think, IMO, can make a big impact.

1. Jordon Shipley. Maybe our fastest WR, but also probably has the best hands also, If he can get to it, he will catch it.

2. Jermichael Finley- Absolute freak of nature that may cause huge problems for anyone trying to cover him. If Im tOSU coaching staff, I pay BIG TIME attention to this guy.

3. Ryan Palmer DB- This kid can cover anyone, and I mean anyone one on one, has great instincts and a VERY sure tackler.

4. Jeremy Campbell LB- I can't wait to see Campbell in action. 6'2 245 lbs will fly all over the field. Can cover any back out of the backfield, much like kelson, and maybe the hardest hitter on on the defense, other than Killebrew.

5. R. Killebrew- Will be one of UT's best LB's when he's through, Just a mean, nasty, SOB.

6. Sergio Kindle- Fresh, will probably only see action on the Special teams, The possibilities for this kid are endless. He will be raw the first half of the season, but the kid is a freaking monster. Saw him play 7-8 time's last year, even against the best athletes in the Dallas-Ft. Worth area, in the toughest district, he was a man among boy's.

I know there are other's, and some of the incoming Fresh, may see action, these are just some of the faces we didn't see last year that I think may actually be an improvement for UT in some area's.

I would like to hear from the tOSU side on this same subject, some guy's who saw little, or no time last year,and incoming fresh, that UT is most likely not familiar with, who could make an impact in this year's game.
 
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UTMNC said:
Both UT and tOSU will have player's that did not play in last year's game. Here are just a few from UT who I think, IMO, can make a big impact.

1. Jordon Shipley. Maybe our fastest WR, but also probably has the best hands also, If he can get to it, he will catch it.

2. Jermichael Finley- Absolute freak of nature that may cause huge problems for anyone trying to cover him. If Im tOSU coaching staff, I pay BIG TIME attention to this guy.

3. Ryan Palmer DB- This kid can cover anyone, and I mean anyone one on one, has great instincts and a VERY sure tackler.

4. Jeremy Campbell LB- I can't wait to see Campbell in action. 6'2 245 lbs will fly all over the field. Can cover any back out of the backfield, much like kelson, and maybe the hardest hitter on on the defense, other than Killebrew.

5. R. Killebrew- Will be one of UT's best LB's when he's through, Just a mean, nasty, SOB.

6. Sergio Kindle- Fresh, will probably only see action on the Special teams, The possibilities for this kid are endless. He will be raw the first half of the season, but the kid is a freaking monster. Saw him play 7-8 time's last year, even against the best athletes in the Dallas-Ft. Worth area, in the toughest district, he was a man among boy's.

I know there are other's, and some of the incoming Fresh, may see action, these are just some of the faces we didn't see last year that I think may actually be an improvement for UT in some area's.

I would like to hear from the tOSU side on this same subject, some guy's who saw little, or no time last year,and incoming fresh, that UT is most likely not familiar with, who could make an impact in this year's game.
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Inspired by your hyperbole, I respond in kind:
1. TB Chris Wells. Dick Tressel, OSU running backs coach, recently said that, "Jim Brown, in his prime, would not be worthy to carry this young man's jock strap". Jim Brown is on record as concurring with this statement.

2. LB Marcus Freeman. Marcus was injured early last year and received a medical redshirt. Or so the official line goes. Insiders know that he voluntarily sat the year out on the personal request of A.J. Hawk and Bobby Carpenter, who wanted to go out on a good note. Had Freeman actually played, Hawk and Carpenter would have been benched so that Marcus could man the Sam and Will spots simultaneously.

3. LB Ross Homan. At Coldwater HS, Ross faced what is generally regarded as the fiercest HS football competition in America, and still dominated, particularly with his bestial upper-body strength. Ross's bench press max is currently unknown, as its measurement awaits construction, by the OSU metallurgical sciences department, of an extra-long, titanium fortified barbell which is capable of holding the necessary weight without splitting asunder.

4. DB Kurt Coleman. Many questioned Ashton Youboty's early departure for the NFL, after a mediocre junior season, but Ashton actually made his decision on the day he heard that Kurt had given his verbal commitment to the Buckeyes. Kurt is capable of throwing a blanket over any receiver in America at any level - NFL included. The only receiver's anywhere who are even capable of dueling Kurt to a draw are Ted Ginn and Anthony Gonzalez.

There are more, many more, but take time to absorb this information first.
 
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xrayrandy said:
I certainly don't think it will be a low scoring game, just that tOSU will not break 22 points without having more than the 3 turnovers they had last year.
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glad to see you are back to predicting a blowout in favor of your team, unless they have a huge turnover advantage. Surely VY's maturation had nothing to do with UT's improvement.

I again return to all of the OU homer predictions of shutting down VY again in 05 based on the 04 shutout.

VY is much more dangerous and experienced than either of your QBs will be. Why should we expect UT to even match their 25 pts from last year, given the inexperience and non-gamebreaking ability of your new QBs? Are you just going to run to victory? The only team better against the run in the last 5 years is USC, and they play in a pass-happy conference. (-daddybigbucks-)

Personally, I think UT and OSU can both score in bunches, and both can struggle. To act as tho it is impossible based on the year before, when there is an obvious improvement on offense for OSU, is pretty homeristic.

For someone as obsessed with statistics as yourself, you should be smart enough to realize big games like this rarely follow their on-paper predictions.
 
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I agree that Troy Smith's maturation will be huge towards the fortunes of you team this season, but one thing to remember in comparing him to Vince Young: Vince was a once in a generation-type, transendent superstar/leader of the college game. 6'5 230 lb Qb's running 4.4's, with strong, accurate arms, and phenomenal leadership/intangilble qualities dont come around very often, even in comparison to some really good other players. I'm not trying to jump on the UT homerism wagon, though I am just trying to be fair to Vince, and Troy.

Troy is a phenomenal player, and should not be taken for granted in the least. However, its almost a little bit disingenous to compare him to Vince by comparing their improvements with the way Vince improved from 2004 to 2005. Vince was a superstar from the beginning, and there was such a cavernous gap between his play in good games to bad ones, that it was obvious some small but hugely significant issues were not quite in line in relation to his coaching staff, and his confidence in his own abilities. We all felt if he could get those things worked out and on the same page, he'd be unstoppable. Turns out we were right. Dont' get me wrong; he was one of the hardest workers this program's ever seen, but he was like that from day 1 even when he wasn't having consistent success. I'm not sure it was so much his development as a player at it was Vince realizing and coming into his own as the player he was destined to be with a little faith from the Texas coaching staff to let him. Troy may get to/already be there but I need to see a little more of his good than what I've seen in 3/4 of last season, and a fabulous game against scum in 2004.

I'm not saying Troy's not that same type of transedent leader who's improvements won't show their true colors next year, and he will certainly get his opportunities to be, but I think its reasonable to remember that the ceilings of Troy and Vince's talents might not be the same. As good as Troy is, Vince Young he is not. However, since our Vince is gone now, I guess that gives the Bucks that much more chance to win, so......
 
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campies said:
Troy is a phenomenal player, and should not be taken for granted in the least. However, its almost a little bit disingenous to compare him to Vince by comparing their improvements with the way Vince improved from 2004 to 2005.
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I don't see many OSU fans comparing Troy to Vince. What I see is us pointing to the fact that the Troy you saw in last year's game is not the Troy you'll see on 9/9, and those comments are primarily the result of most UT posters claiming that they don't think we'll put up more than 20 simply b/c we didn't last year.
 
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campies said:
5) #10 Texas Tech, W 52-17, 2005- I usually wouldn't ever consider putting up a Tech team on a who's-who bragging list of slayed opponents, however, this team was actually offensively proficient, and defensively improved, enough to garner my respect at the time of the contest. Obviously they turned out to not be as good as their ranking (though still a fine team at 9-3 w/ a close loss to Bama at the end), but we actually had to played a well-executed and concerted effort of a game to put it away like we did. Score would indicate roll over, but it wasn't that easy.

All of these ain't the #1 or 2 Buckeyes, but it isn't completely irrelavent for how we respond to big games in our house. Can't wait!
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Now there were some respectable wins on that list but this one isn't in my opinion. Sure Texas Tech had a pretty good team coming in but be honest: Did you expect this one to be close coming in? You may have just because of the fact that you are a Texas fan, but as an Ohio State fan watching the way Texas played in the Shoe, you could tell that this one wasn't even going to be close and the score was evident of that.

All the other wins are nice tough, just pointing that out.
 
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While glancing over both team's roster's, this glarring POTENTIAL phenomenon stood out. In this year's game between UT and tOSU, I see the possiblity of at least 26 2007 NFL draft choices. This is providing that some juniors will declare.

UT. J. Blalock-sr OL, T. Brown- SR CB, Tim Crowder-SR DE, Drew Kelson- JR LB, Robert Killebrew-JR LB, Frank Okam-JR DL, Billy Pittman-JR WR, Brian Robinson-SR DE, Aaron Ross-SR S, Lyle Sendlein- SR C, Kasey Studdard-SR OL, Neal Tweedie-SR TE, Selvin Young- SR RB

tOSU. Troy Smith- QB, A. Pittman-JR RB, Stan White- SR RB, A. Gonzalez- JR WR, Roy Hall-SR WR, T. Ginn- JR WR, T.J. Downing-SR OL, Doug Datish-SR OL, John Kerr- SR LB, Quinn Pitcock- SR DL, David Patterson- SR DL, Jay Richardson- SR DE.

Consider the fact I may have missed 1 - 2 from each team, and the fact that it is very possible the likes of Jamal Charles-UT, Marcus Freeman-tosu, and even R. Bobino-UT could declare, you would be looking at the possibility of maybe 29 - 30 2007 NFL draft picks on the field at one time, that's pretty sick.....
 
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K, UTMNC, I love your optimism, but a couple things bother me:

1) Your apostrophe S's are killing me. Just because a word is plural does not make it possesive. I'm sure its just a habit, but aside from being a bad one, its just a little annoying to me. Sorry for the nitpicking.

2) I really don't see how you think a few of those guys from Texas are going to be close to declaring early. Billy Pittman? Great college wideout, good speed and hands, utilized well in our O last year, but for only 1 season so far. Sweed before Pittman, just because of the physical differences, but even that I think would be a mistake. Bobino?? No way in hell. He's a smart, sound player who somehow made it as a RS-Fr, but his ability is nowhere near NFL-caliber right now, or probably ever. Others look pretty good, with the exception of Drew Kelson and Bob Killebrew; both need work, but Killebrew over Kelson based on size and experience.
 
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UTMNC said:
In this year's game between UT and tOSU, I see the possiblity of at least 26 2007 NFL draft choices. This is providing that some juniors will declare.
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tOSU. Troy Smith- QB, A. Pittman-JR RB, Stan White- SR RB, A. Gonzalez- JR WR, Roy Hall-SR WR, T. Ginn- JR WR, T.J. Downing-SR OL, Doug Datish-SR OL, John Kerr- SR LB, Quinn Pitcock- SR DL, David Patterson- SR DL, Jay Richardson- SR DE.
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No way Pittman or Gonzo declare. And although most here say emphatically that Ginn bails, I'm not so sure about that. As for seniors, the only sure-fire draft picks are Smith and Pitcock. Downing and Datish are fairly safe bets to also be drafted. Patterson, Richardson, and Kerr are maybes. I doubt White and Hall will get drafted.
 
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