Game Thread: Notre Dame 38, Stanford 31 (Final)

[BuckeyeKid789]

Yeah....but they did almost beat USC

Don't forget about mighty 5-6 Michigan St. too .

 

[timBUCK2]

I think this whole thing can be summarized into 2 sentences:

Both OSU and ND have 2 losses
OSU beat MSU at home, ND lost to MSU at home

OSU>ND

 

[Buckeye513]

All anyone talks about when they're talking about Notre Dame is their offense. Sportscenter just put up a graphic that shows how well their offense is doing compared to their past ones. Do people remember that you're suppossed to have a defense? That's the reason they lost to USC, Michigan St., and almost Stanford.

But they don't need a defense, which is just a reflection of how good Notre Dame actually is.

 

[buckeyeboy]

I watched the ND-Stanford game last night, and it proved to me that ND is not a very good team. There's no excuse for coming that close to losing against a team that is not bowl eligible and that lost to a Div I-AA team earlier in the season. Just another reason that we're better than ND: when it comes to teams that both of us should beat, ND barely scrapes by, while we win by 30+ (Indiana) or 40+ (Northwestern).

 

[sandgk]

Here is an article by espn.com on the game. http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/recap?gameId=253300024


Two things I noticed that are really wrong:

1. It said Notre Dame proved they are deserving of a BCS bowl invite(in the first paragraph).
2. It said Stanford played the second toughest schedule in the nation. How can that be when they play in the Pac-10 and played a division 1-aa team? Ohio St. without a doubt has played the toughest schedule in the nation.

I don't know how Stanford crept up into a high ranking for Strength of Schedule - they are ranked at NCAA as having the 3rd toughest in the country, not the second though. Thus, ESPN is still wrong in their contention.

What ESPN conveniently omits is Notre Dame's SOS - at #63 with a bullet.

 

[tsteele316]

All anyone talks about when they're talking about Notre Dame is their offense. Sportscenter just put up a graphic that shows how well their offense is doing compared to their past ones. Do people remember that you're suppossed to have a defense? That's the reason they lost to USC, Michigan St., and almost Stanford.

there are a lot of selective memories out there regarding this. first off, ND has a good offense with some talented players. i'm not discounting that.
but, arguably the 2 best defenses they faced were tennesee and ttun.

against ut, the managed 343 yards of total offense and tenn had 3 t.o.'s.
against ttun, they racked up a whopping 244 yards of offense and were the beneficiaries of henne's goaline fumble.

the fact that they beat on the cellar dwellers of the big east doesnt say anything to me. stanford really held walker in check until midway through the 3rd quarter when nd discovered that their center could horsecollar the stanford NT whose name i wont try to spell, and that smarzja is pretty much allowed to tackle whatever db/safety comes within range. it's bad when senile jackson and dan fouts call you on it.

 

[NightmaresDad]

there are a lot of selective memories out there regarding this. first off, ND has a good offense with some talented players. i'm not discounting that.
but, arguably the 2 best defenses they faced were tennesee and ttun.

against ut, the managed 343 yards of total offense and tenn had 3 t.o.'s.
against ttun, they racked up a whopping 244 yards of offense and were the beneficiaries of henne's goaline fumble.

the fact that they beat on the cellar dwellers of the big east doesnt say anything to me. stanford really held walker in check until midway through the 3rd quarter when nd discovered that their center could horsecollar the stanford NT whose name i wont try to spell, and that smarzja is pretty much allowed to tackle whatever db/safety comes within range. it's bad when senile jackson and dan fouts call you on it.

Plus that CB, Sanchez (#2) must close his eyes everytime he goes to tackle somebody - I've never seen so many whiffs this side of a Browns game.
And could a Stanford coach tell their defensive players that it's OK to get your head in front of somebody when tackling them?

 

[Jaxbuck]

I don't know how Stanford crept up into a high ranking for Strength of Schedule - they are ranked at NCAA as having the 3rd toughest in the country, not the second though. Thus, ESPN is still wrong in their contention.

What ESPN conveniently omits is Notre Dame's SOS - at #63 with a bullet.

I don't know what fucking ranking ESPN is using, maybe Lou's own, but Stanford is 11th in the current(coming into this weekend) BCS SOS according to tellshow's site.

Then again ESPN never let the facts get in the way of a good opinion.

 

[BrutusMaximus]

I too love to watch Notre Dame choke, but let me remind everybody here of something. (I hate to even say this outloud)

In 02. We could have lost to Cincinatti on the last play. Last time we played San Diego State at home, we won 16-13. Last year, we had to beat Marshall on a last second field goal at home.

I watched the ND-Stanford game last night, and it proved to me that ND is not a very good team. There's no excuse for coming that close to losing against a team that is not bowl eligible

Of course I know I am gonna hear it from several people about this. And the response will be. "No no, that's how JT plays it. It is MEANT to happen that way"

Now apparently they are right, because in that same season where we had to beat Cincinatti on the last drive, we won the NC. How JT does it, I have no idea, but I sure dont wanna cramp his style

Anyway, point is, you cant judge a team on one game. ND gave SC all they wanted. If we get them in the Fiesta and they play like they did last night, then I'd say you can stick a fork in them. If they play like they have about every other game, could be interesting.

All that said, my god would I love to see Hawk drive Quinn about 10 yards into the stands on the first play

but Stanford is 11th in the current(coming into this weekend) BCS SOS according to tellshow's site.

<SARCASM on font>*sarcasm font on* That's because they are in the mighty Pac-10. *sarcasm font off*<SARCASM font off>

 

[daddyphatsacs]

With the way that Stanford was able to pressure the Domers last night, I was left licking my chops thinking about what our defense could do to Quinn. If he is pressured, he is not a very good QB.

 

[Jaxbuck]

I too love to watch Notre Dame choke, but let me remind everybody here of something. (I hate to even say this outloud)

In 02. We could have lost to Cincinatti on the last play. Last time we played San Diego State at home, we won 16-13. Last year, we had to beat Marshall on a last second field goal at home.



Of course I know I am gonna hear it from several people about this. And the response will be. "No no, that's how JT plays it. It is MEANT to happen that way"

Now apparently they are right, because in that same season where we had to beat Cincinatti on the last drive, we won the NC. How JT does it, I have no idea, but I sure dont wanna cramp his style

Anyway, point is, you cant judge a team on one game. ND gave SC all they wanted. If we get them in the Fiesta and they play like they did last night, then I'd say you can stick a fork in them. If they play like they have about every other game, could be interesting.

All that said, my god would I love to see Hawk drive Quinn about 10 yards into the stands on the first play



<SARCASM font on>*sarcasm font on* That's because they are in the mighty Pac-10. *sarcasm font off*<SARCASM font off>

I'm not saying ND absolutely sucks because of the one game, my contention is they should be dropped in the polls for that game.

The only reason OSU wasn't ultimately penalized for winning ugly in 2002, was that we were one of 2 undefeated teams, the pollsters had no choice. If they DID have a choice, they surely would have fucked us.

Also, like you alluded to, close defensive battles aren't exactly ND's style so when they win an ugly one it should hurt them. It's only fair, they get all the media love for the ND glamour and high powered O, they should get the penalty for failing to bury a completely hapless opponent.

Of course this assumes a degree of decency, morality, charachter and intelligence from the pollsters. We all know thats a complete fantasy.

 

[BrutusMaximus]

Of course this assumes a degree of decency, morality, charachter and intelligence from the pollsters. We all know thats a complete fantasy.

They should be required to put religion on their application

 

[JXC]

I too love to watch Notre Dame choke, but let me remind everybody here of something. (I hate to even say this outloud)

In 02. We could have lost to Cincinatti on the last play. Last time we played San Diego State at home, we won 16-13. Last year, we had to beat Marshall on a last second field goal at home.



Of course I know I am gonna hear it from several people about this. And the response will be. "No no, that's how JT plays it. It is MEANT to happen that way"

Now apparently they are right, because in that same season where we had to beat Cincinatti on the last drive, we won the NC. How JT does it, I have no idea, but I sure dont wanna cramp his style

Anyway, point is, you cant judge a team on one game. ND gave SC all they wanted. If we get them in the Fiesta and they play like they did last night, then I'd say you can stick a fork in them. If they play like they have about every other game, could be interesting.

All that said, my god would I love to see Hawk drive Quinn about 10 yards into the stands on the first play



<SARCASM on font>*sarcasm font on* That's because they are in the mighty Pac-10. *sarcasm font off*<SARCASM font off>

Okay...you can't judge a team on one game. But they lost 2 already...the difference between '02 tOSU and '05 ND is that ND lost 2 games! If Ohio State would have lost 2 games in '02 then you'd look at the other games a little bit more critically...but Ohio State was just unstoppabe that year...Notre Dame is not even close to unstoppabe this year. Notre Dame isn't getting stronger as the year goes on...their past two games they've played pretty crappy.

I was rooting for them to win in the end though...because I want to play them in a BCS bowl really badly. Plus...it's pretty obvious now that Ohio State should be ranked higher than Notre Dame. If they aren't...then that is just a joke. ANY voter who puts ND ahead of Ohio State has to be nuts.

USC is good...but they've been having a lot of close games this year...Notre Dame came the closest...but it's not like it's something so special that nobody else could ahve done it. Lots of teams have hung around with USC this year. USC is just good enough to keep winning. After what happened to Fresno yesterday, I think it shows that ALMOST beating USC means NOTHING!

What has Notre Dame done this season besides ALMOST beat USC and beat Michigan? Their schedule was not as tough as it originally looked. Ohio State on the other hand had a lot of really tough games that didn't look as tough at the begining of the year (Minny, PSU, Northwestern...and even Michigan started to get hot going into The Game)

 

[BrutusMaximus]

Wasnt disagreeing with everyone's point on ND, just simply bringing a different perspective to the discussion.

I hate ND more than any team. Yes even more than scUM, which for an Ohio State fan, is usually sacreligious (pardon the pun).

 

[lvbuckeye]

Wasnt disagreeing with everyone's point on ND, just simply bringing a different perspective to the discussion.

I hate ND more than any team. Yes even more than scUM, which for an Ohio State fan, is usually sacreligious (pardon the pun).

like any red blooded Buckeye, i hate scUM, BUT i love the Big Ten. and in OOC matchups i ALWAYS root for the BIG TEN, scUM included.

my two favorite teams are Ohio State, and whomever is playing the Domers. Fuck Notre Dame.