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Game Thread Game One: #1 Ohio State 35, Northern Illinois 12 (9/2/06)

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BuckeyeNation27 said:
I wouldn't know the best way to compare RBs....it's all subjective. What I do know is that just using 1 game against common opponents is stupid.

Have I said that yet? I'm not sure. :smash:
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Again, I wasn't arguing. I agree. You can't take one person's game and compare it to another person's game and think that you're going to get a credible answer, even if that's against the same team. That's similar to me saying that I flipped this quarter once, and I got "heads." Therefore, every time I flip this quarter, I'll get "heads." We all know it doesn't work that way. There's too much involved with how a running back performs than simply that player's quality to say that since X did better against Team A than Y did, therefore X is better than Y.

I was asking the question because maybe you, or someone else, has a good way to compare two players who have never even been on the field at the same time.
 
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Wolfe had a great game agianst Michigan, but his stats for that game are somewhat misleading. Although he had 148 yards on 17 carries, 76 of those came on one TD run in the second quarter, which gives him 72 yards on 16 carries (4.5 ypc) the rest of the game.
 
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MililaniBuckeye said:
Wolfe had a great game agianst Michigan, but his stats for that game are somewhat misleading. Although he had 148 yards on 17 carries, 76 of those came on one TD run in the second quarter, which gives him 72 yards on 16 carries (4.5 ypc) the rest of the game.
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Before any NIU fans or Mili haters jumps in to make this point, nothing Mili said here is incorrect. When I see 148 yards on 17 carries, I'm lead to believe he had a productive day and was running over, under, and around mich.

When you point out that he was held pretty much in check save for one play, it paints a more clear/less misleading picture.
 
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BuckeyeNation27 said:
Before any NIU fans or Mili haters jumps in to make this point, nothing Mili said here is incorrect. When I see 148 yards on 17 carries, I'm lead to believe he had a productive day and was running over, under, and around mich.

When you point out that he was held pretty much in check save for one play, it paints a more clear/less misleading picture.
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I agree that maybe we should also indicate what a player's median run was, which isn't skewed by one or two out-liers, such as a -15 yard play, or, in this case, a 76-yard run. But if we're going to take his 76-yard run away from him in his average, because it inflates it, maybe we should also start removing his touchdown runs that were below his average per carry. A 2-yard touchdown run counts in his average as a 2-yard run. If the endzone wasn't there, he may have run for another 15 yards.

I'm neither an NIU fan or a Mili hater. But when we start selectively removing certain plays and changing a player's statistics, where do you draw the line on which plays to remove and which to keep?
 
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BuckeyeNation27 said:
Before any NIU fans or Mili haters jumps in to make this point, nothing Mili said here is incorrect. When I see 148 yards on 17 carries, I'm lead to believe he had a productive day and was running over, under, and around mich.

When you point out that he was held pretty much in check save for one play, it paints a more clear/less misleading picture.
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True, but you can't throw out those big TD runs that happen, even if they only occur once per game -- because the fact is they do happen, and defenses have to account for them. Every RB gets the same benefit, so it's not exclusive to Wolfe.

You can't change a players stats to fit your argument. 148 yards is 148 yards is 148 yards. A 4.5 ypc average, even negating the big run, indicates that he did, in fact, run over, under, and around UM.
 
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MililaniBuckeye said:
Wolfe had a great game agianst Michigan, but his stats for that game are somewhat misleading. Although he had 148 yards on 17 carries, 76 of those came on one TD run in the second quarter, which gives him 72 yards on 16 carries (4.5 ypc) the rest of the game.
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even without the 76 yarder, that's still a good day on the ground. I'm not sure I follow...
 
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Dryden said:
A 4.5 ypc average, even negating the big run, indicates that he did, in fact, run over, under, and around UM.
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A 4.5 ypc average isn't running over, under, and around anyone...an 8.7 ypc average is. My point is that you can't go by total yards and/or ypc to get a true reading of how a RB performed. What if he got that 76-yard TD due to a blown assignment or a defender slipping? Whether you agree or not, when most folks see that a RB averaging 8.7 ypc against someone, they envision the RB ripping off chunks of 6-8 yards consistently along with a couple bigger runs. By taking out his huge run from the equation, you can see that it wasn't the case in the Michigan game.
 
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Dryden said:
True, but you can't throw out those big TD runs that happen, even if they only occur once per game -- because the fact is they do happen, and defenses have to account for them. Every RB gets the same benefit, so it's not exclusive to Wolfe.

You can't change a players stats to fit your argument. 148 yards is 148 yards is 148 yards. A 4.5 ypc average, even negating the big run, indicates that he did, in fact, run over, under, and around UM.
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I never said throw them out, I just see the point Mili is trying to make. When you see 178 yards your brain just translates that into 1 full game of amazing running, which is misleading.
 
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MililaniBuckeye said:
Wolfe had a great game agianst Michigan, but his stats for that game are somewhat misleading. Although he had 148 yards on 17 carries, 76 of those came on one TD run in the second quarter, which gives him 72 yards on 16 carries (4.5 ypc) the rest of the game.
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I really don't like that argument. A long carry counts no matter what. Pittman had a fairly mediocre Fiesta Bowl until he broke that 60 yd. touchdown late in the 4th. It still counts and it meant 6 points. I don't think it's right to take away from a great game just because he had a long run.
 
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OregonBuckeye said:
I really don't like that argument. A long carry counts no matter what. Pittman had a fairly mediocre Fiesta Bowl until he broke that 60 yd. touchdown late in the 4th. It still counts and it meant 6 points. I don't think it's right to take away from a great game just because he had a long run.
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Ding, ding, ding! You just proved my point. If you didn't see the FB and looked at Pitt's final stats, you'd have thought he had a great game (21-136, 6.5 ypc). Those of us who did watch the game knew that he wasn't tearing off runs of 5-8 yards on a consistent basis as his final 6.5 ypc average implies.
 
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I believe all Wolfe could ever be at OSU is a change of pace back. And as far as change of pace backs at OSU go, I don't think Wolfe has the speed and physical ability of Maurice Wells. Just my two cents on this debate.

Does G-Force or any other NIU fan think the Huskie defense has a chance of even slowing down OSU's offensive attack?
 
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