Game of Thrones (Official Thread)

[AuTX Buckeye]

Yeah, but once again- after Rickon is dead and Jon decides to charge the enemy lines by himself is where the out of character utter stupidity lies.

Blind rage at the death of a loved one (that you really believed you could save) makes everyone do stupid things.

 

[TooTall]

Caught up. Very good HBO show, as always. Looking forward to S7.

 

[jwinslow]

 

[Dryden]

FYI, The Dolby Atmos Blu-Ray + HD download box set (all six seasons) is $75 today at Amazon for Prime Day.

 

[Mike80]

Yeah, but once again- after Rickon is dead and Jon decides to charge the enemy lines by himself is where the out of character utter stupidity lies.

It was actually very smart. Jon knew there would be arrow volleys coming shortly thereafter. Charging the line ultimately saved his life.

 

[tsteele316]

It was actually very smart. Jon knew there would be arrow volleys coming shortly thereafter. Charging the line ultimately saved his life.

That is of course assuming his men followed him after he charged instead of staying out of archer range.

 

[Buckeye86]

That is of course assuming his men followed him after he charged instead of staying out of archer range.

...and he got hit with a volley of arrows and fell off his horse mid charge either way- so I'm not quite seeing the genius in it, personally.

Especially when he could have gotten out of range of the arrows by going in the opposite direction and rejoining his forces in their strategically advantageous defensive positions- per their plan.

If he charged forward to get out of the line of fire of the arrows, that also eliminates the "he did it without thinking due to the pure rage he was feeling at the loss of his brother" line of reasoning.

And I submit that sitting in quiet contemplation for a few moments prior to charging wasn't the greatest directorial or acting decision if they were trying to convey uncontrolled emotion as the primary motivation behind the charge.

 

[The KSB]

It was actually very smart. Jon knew there would be arrow volleys coming shortly thereafter. Charging the line ultimately saved his life.

Going to have to disagree with you on that one. He went off script and would have gotten his entire army killed had Littlefinger/Sansa not arrived.

 

[RugbyBuck]

Renly Baratheon's camp... I guess we were too late:

 

[BuckNutty]

 

[TooTall]

On a scale of Hodor to Hodor

Hodor?

And

On a scale of 1 to the Mountain

How dead are you?

Both of these had me cracking up.

 

[RugbyBuck]

I can relate to Tywin. My first load drop after cancer surgery a few years ago and I was sure I'd been shot in the gut with a crossbow and was going to die on the throne.

 

[Mike80]

That is of course assuming his men followed him after he charged instead of staying out of archer range.

They were going to follow their commander. That said, he knew (and could probably hear) the commands on the Bolton side to fire the arrows. He had to move immediately.

Going to have to disagree with you on that one. He went off script and would have gotten his entire army killed had Littlefinger/Sansa not arrived.

That was going to happen anyway probably. Ramsey drew them out, but unless they were going to get Ramsey to chase them, and I don't think that was really in the plan, eventually the numbers were going to be overwhelming.

 

[Mike80]

...and he got hit with a volley of arrows and fell off his horse mid charge either way- so I'm not quite seeing the genius in it, personally.

Especially when he could have gotten out of range of the arrows by going in the opposite direction and rejoining his forces in their strategically advantageous defensive positions- per their plan.

If he charged forward to get out of the line of fire of the arrows, that also eliminates the "he did it without thinking due to the pure rage he was feeling at the loss of his brother" line of reasoning.

And I submit that sitting in quiet contemplation for a few moments prior to charging wasn't the greatest directorial or acting decision if they were trying to convey uncontrolled emotion as the primary motivation behind the charge.

Disagree still. Maybe whenever the book comes out in 2030 we'll see what the reasoning is during that contemplative moment, but for now, he had to clear the area and get away from the arrows that were surely (and were) coming. Watch the scene again, Jon saw the archers readying themselves to fire. I'm not exactly an archery specialist, but going forward at that distance can be safer given the angle they are having to shoot the arrows. I'll give you that maybe he could have reversed after that, but it's TV and who really gives a fuck? It was still a great scene and this is a silly argument in my IMO.

 

[Buckeye86]

but it's TV and who really gives a fuck? It was still a great scene and this is a silly argument in my IMO.

I agree. Running to hide in defensive positions wouldn't have made for quite the same scene.

The whole point was to set up 1) the visual of Jon standing solo, prepared to fight, against a tidal wave of charging enemy riders and 2) the thrilling moment when his own forces engage at the last moment, saving him from the sure death he was bravely preparing to face.

It was a good television moment they got to with some faulty character logic (IMO) that is silly to spend too much time nit picking- but what else is the Internet for?