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Buckeye86
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It also served as a nice way to further the "Jaime second guessing his allegiance to Cersei" plot line by 1) having Olena directly question his allegiance to Cersei, 2) showing that Cersei doesn't know what she's talking about regarding Tyrion killing their son 3) vindicating Tyrion from one of the worst things he was accused of from Jaime's perspective and possibly re establishing Tyrion as a viable alternative to Cersei when it comes to Lannister family allegiances- particularly in light of Cersei's responsibility for and callousness towards killing their other king son.
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Quick thoughts:
1. They're making Dany look like an arrogant, entitled queen, only different from Cersei in her lack of brutality. Why does she need Jon Snow to bend the knee? What need does she have to subjugate the North like her awful ancestors?
2. Jon Snow just needs to lose his shit on people. The white walkers are coming. They're going to kill everyone. Why, in a world that now has fucking dragons, does no one believe him about the dead? Is it so outlandish at this point?
3. How many seasons have they spent building up the strategic intelligence of Tyrion Lannister only to see him embarrassingly outwitted by his one-handed brother and evil sister? I get that they need to make it seem like Cersei could defeat Dany. But this would be like Urban Meyer struggling to outmaneuver an overrated Michigan State team at home with Ezekiel Elliot in the back... oh wait... fuck.
2. Jon Snow just needs to lose his shit on people. The white walkers are coming. They're going to kill everyone. Why, in a world that now has fucking dragons, does no one believe him about the dead? Is it so outlandish at this point?
3. How many seasons have they spent building up the strategic intelligence of Tyrion Lannister only to see him embarrassingly outwitted by his one-handed brother and evil sister? I get that they need to make it seem like Cersei could defeat Dany. But this would be like Urban Meyer struggling to outmaneuver an overrated Michigan State team at home with Ezekiel Elliot in the back... oh wait... fuck.
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That part is driving me nuts. In the time it took to the Unsullied to sail to Casterly Rock, Euron has sailed around the continent to King's Landing, south to wherever he got the drop on Yara & Theon (somewhere past Storm's End but before Sunspear), back to King's Landing, and then around the continent again to the Rock. For fucks sake he's sailed right by Dragonstone four times and apparently not had a random encounter with a dragon yet.
He really must be the greatest captain of the fourteen seas! The winds blow 4-times harder just for him.
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Who says he was at Casterly the 2nd time? He doesn't need to be there to have his ships launching fireballs.
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Buckeye86
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The juxtaposition between how friendly and happy she was to talk with and accept help from the Greyjoys, versus how she is treating Jon Snow, especially given the relative strategic advantage each group provides her in her quest to retake the Iron Throne, makes little sense from a character standpoint.
The Greyjoys have ships, yes- but otherwise provide almost no value to you and have absolutely no leverage over you... you could just murder them and steal their boats if you wanted to... what are they going to do about it?
Jon Snow provides the most powerful alliance possible in every respect in your quest to retake the Iron Throne.
Let's be super friendly and happy with one group and get over past indiscretions instantly, and super bitchy and cold to the other and not get over family grudges at all.
Makes total sense.
The Greyjoys have ships, yes- but otherwise provide almost no value to you and have absolutely no leverage over you... you could just murder them and steal their boats if you wanted to... what are they going to do about it?
Jon Snow provides the most powerful alliance possible in every respect in your quest to retake the Iron Throne.
Let's be super friendly and happy with one group and get over past indiscretions instantly, and super bitchy and cold to the other and not get over family grudges at all.
Makes total sense.
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Buckeye86
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I also had the thought that maybe they would shift the secret super northern fleet to the little lady Mormont and have it launch from Bear Island.
It fixes the geography hang up (although as you point out, they obviously don't care that much about it) and gives a fan favorite something cool to do/contribute.
I am also looking forward to how they resolve some characters who are set up really well to redeem themselves through some sort of sacrifice.
The Hound, Jora, Theon, Dondarian, maybe Davos... there are lots of characters set up to have really satisfying Hodor endings if the show runners play their cards right.
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Who knows? Jaimie rounded up an entire army of Lannisters from Casterly, met up with them and stormed Highgarden, all after Euron defeated his niece and celebrated in the Red Keep (with Jaime present). They're taking way too many liberties with time and geography at this point. I gotta say it's starting to piss me off.
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Buckeye86
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Remember when Ramsay forgot to defend the Neck at Moat Cailin, the most impenatrable defenses in Westeros, as the knights of the Vale marched right through for the surprise attack? (maybe they took ships... maybe? they didn't really say, and the fleet that accomplished that task would be quite important to know about at the moment, if they did go by water)
Or how Lady Brienne teleported through Moat Cailin and the Freys at the twins to talk with the Blackfish? And then teleported back without issues?
Those are two of my favorites from season 6.
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Only so much you can show time lapse with only 15 total episodes... yeah it would be nice if they would do a little - "3 weeks ago at Casterly Rock" or "Last week at High Garden" etc. but it is what it is...
agree about the Geography issue but again we dont know the "time frames" they are showing.
agree about the Geography issue but again we dont know the "time frames" they are showing.
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Not the show writers. HBO. They put the writers in this bind.
EDIT: HBO only seems to care about creating a good show. Build an audience. Then they scrap the budget and rush the ending. The problem they'll have going forward, after Game of Thrones, is the absence of standard bearer drama. Veep and Ballers aren't getting me to re-up.
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RugbyBuck
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Re-watched for lunch and am more positive about it. I agree as to all the geographic staging, but appreciate that they're setting up and apparently spending more on what's to come; likely this week when I think the Dothrakis rout the Lannisters and steal the gold that Cersei was planning to use to pay off the iron Bank. Cersei's time is running short, but it's great to see the intensity with which Lena is portraying her psychological march to hell. The scene in the dungeon was better delivered than last year's "Die? Today? Oh, you're not going to die today." speech which I loved. I was still a little bored with the much awaited scenes with Dany and Jon. but thought the final scene with Jaime and Oleanna was great. Finally, Tyrion's strategic comeuppance is going to be interesting; both as to him psychologically and what effect it has on Dany.
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