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Game Thread Game Five: Penn State 17, Ohio State 10 (Final)

Offensive coordinators dont control the game, they control the offensive side of the ball. I cant think of one head coach, college or pro, that would give up the final word on how the game was going to be controlled, but what you are saying is that JT is so arroggant that he wouldn't trust someone to help him control the offense. Hell, why have assistant coaches if one guy can do it all?
 
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Maybe we can all just pray for a reeeeaaallly smart Graduate Assistant to obsess over the offense enough in a 24 hour a day mode and to make presentations to Tress and beg and plead with him to listen and see some refreshing new ideas.

Not likely, and I guess you shouldn't pray about football.

Didn't Tressel just look like a genius calling plays vs UM and OSU and MU? Somewhere after Miami a smart/evil Michigan person kidnapped the real Tressel and replaced him with an identical replica that is trying to ruin our season.

That's gotta be it. Either Michigan or aliens.
 
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So he's entirely to blame for the offense, but can't receive any recognition for the defense. brilliant as usual. yes I realize he calls the plays. Lloyd doesn't do either, but somehow he's blamed or praised for both.


The difference here is Tressel seems to let the defensive coaches do the coaching. He allows them to make the calls, to make the adjustments, to basically control what is happening on the defensive side of the ball. The defensive has been excellent or above average for a majority of the time between 2002 and now. The offense on the other hand has always seemed to be struggling for an identity. Tressel isnt entirely to blame for this, but he is the one who is calling plays. He is the one that doesnt seem to be able to call consecutive plays that gets this offense into the flow of the game. Offensively he should be making opposing defenses react to what we are doing, and instead it looks like we are adjusting and reacting to what they are doing, therefor nothing seems to work with any regularity. So Tressel should get some credit for the Defense because he did hire the defensive coaches that are getting the job done. At the same time he should also take a double hit for the offense because not only does he call the plays, but he also hired the offensive coaches and doesnt seem to be willing to make a change.
 
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SOOOOO, is an official OC a good or bad idea?

That's not really teh point. the point is to have somebody (anybody) who is good at calling plays and running an offense. clearly, JT is not that man. You can gloss over his inability to run an offense if you have an amazing defense and the best kicker in college football history, but they don't fall off of the trees every year.
 
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That's not really teh point. the point is to have somebody (anybody) who is good at calling plays and running an offense. clearly, JT is not that man. You can gloss over his inability to run an offense if you have an amazing defense and the best kicker in college football history, but they don't fall off of the trees every year.

I hate myself for this, but gawd dammit, I agree with tibor....
 
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That's not really teh point. the point is to have somebody (anybody) who is good at calling plays and running an offense. clearly, JT is not that man. You can gloss over his inability to run an offense if you have an amazing defense and the best kicker in college football history, but they don't fall off of the trees every year.

That may not be the case and no one outside of the program really knows. For all we know the perfect play could be called each and every offensive snap. If the execution is not there it is worthless. I'm not disagreeing with anyone who says it is the playcalling or agreeing with anyone saying it is the execution, we just do not know!

There is a poster over on the O-Zone, Tallabuck, who has some interesting comments. His comments are basically that Troy cannot read zones quickly enough and waits until the receivers are open before he throws it, which is too late. Against man coverage Troy is fine. I'll let the more knowledgeable BP posters who have played or coached the game at a competitive level provide any thoughts to this as I sure cannot tell the difference. I'm just saying we could have Norman Chow calling the plays, but without proper execution the plays just do not happen.
 
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That may not be the case and no one outside of the program really knows. For all we know the perfect play could be called each and every offensive snap. If the execution is not there it is worthless. I'm not disagreeing with anyone who says it is the playcalling or agreeing with anyone saying it is the execution, we just do not know!

There is a poster over on the O-Zone, Tallabuck, who has some interesting comments. His comments are basically that Troy cannot read zones quickly enough and waits until the receivers are open before he throws it, which is too late. Against man coverage Troy is fine. I'll let the more knowledgeable BP posters who have played or coached the game at a competitive level provide any thoughts to this as I sure cannot tell the difference. I'm just saying we could have Norman Chow calling the plays, but without proper execution the plays just do not happen.

All I know is that the same shit keeps happening. We aren't moving the ball.
You can always tell when we are going to throw and when we aren't. We've been pointing this out for weeks.

We know that any sweep, option, reverse or pitch is going right. Doesn't matter who has the ball. Run defenses don't nee to watch the other side. We simply don't run that direction. And when we do, it works. Pittman has busted huge runs by bouncing outside to the left.

If the QB can't make four reads, don't give him four reads. Give him three and then run for daylight. Max protect if necessary. But don't ask the QB to do something he lacks the skills or time to do. You lose games that way.

Our defense held them to damn near nothing. And our offense spent all night tripping over their own dicks.
 
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Was there........

My wife (PSU alum) and I (tOSU alum) were there with a friend of mine that played for PSU and for the Miami Dolphins looking to see a great game.(We had great seats and ended up right beside the student section on the 50 yard line). I heard nothing but "fuck you", "Buck the Fuckeyes" and "take that back to Ohio bitch" for the first three quarters. This doesn't include a huge inflatable penis with the words "suck this Ohio State" and getting pelted with marshmallows. We decided to head out just after the fourth quarter started. After a 10 minute walk to the car, it turned out to be a good decision. It turned out that I-80 was down to 1 lane just outside the campus area for construction. Made it out of there with about 5 minutes left on the clock according to the radio. I heard about enough when the radio station fizzled out and I barely heard something to the effect of ".......and Smith fumbles the ball!!!!!!".....we frequented another station at that point and headed back to Ohio............Thank God!
 
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Here's how fragile a game like this can be:

1. A freshman corner reads slant rather then a crackback on his inside defender, closes too far inside, TD, PSU.

2. After a huge turnover by the offense, a linebacker slightly overpursues the QB on a speed option, hits him on his outside shoulder rather than inside out, TD, PSU.

3. Two key holds, one called, one not. Sims is flagged for holding on a Smith scramble early (1st down, chance to get the crowd out of the game).
Hawk is blatantly held by #74, drive continues, FG, PSU.

4. One missed FG, one made FG.

To PSU's credit, they kept the crowd in the game by playing physical, and moving the chains just enough. For the Bucks, it's time to get ready for a crucial game with Sparty.
 
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