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Taosman;1083745; said:
And as far as the SAW goes. Isn't it just a rework of something the Germans carried in WWII?(MG42)
How can that be a good thing?
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Because regardless of how you might feel about what the country of Germany did way back then, it has nothing to do with how incredible their engineering is and was? Don't be a kneejerk, Tao.
 
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Well, the point is time marches on. And technology keeps improving the way we do things including kill people. :biggrin:
If it was just about killing we would still be throwing sticks and rocks at each other.
 
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Taosman;1083745; said:
And as far as the SAW goes. Isn't it just a rework of something the Germans carried in WWII? How can that be a good thing?
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No not really. There's no real commanlity between the M-249 (there's not much commonality between it and FNs MAG/M-240 either) & the German Mg-34/42s of WWII.

The Germany Army's current GPMG the M-3 is heavily based on those WWII designs and is an all around solid performer. The M-60 also used some ideas from the MGs in question unfortunately it didn't turn out quite as well.

The WWII German MGs were the best in the world and far ahead of their time.
 
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Taosman;1083754; said:
Well, the point is time marches on. And technology keeps improving the way we do things including kill people. :biggrin:
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Time marches on, this is true, but when something works, why change it? Improvements sure, but a rework is an improvement. :wink2:

Sorry about misinterpreting your comment. It just seemed the emphasis was less on time marching on and more on "oo it's a german thing from that terrible war!"
 
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Back to the weapon of thread. It would seem logical to me that there would be a need in the civilian market for something that is easier to shoot than a .45 Colt variant and even easier than a Beretta 9mm. And the reality of economics of manufacture.
This means everyone but Muck! :tongue2:
 
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BUCKYLE;1083820; said:
Perfect weapon for Scientologist hunting.
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Great idea! The bullet will penetrate the skull, and not have enough power to exit, so it will bounce around awhile in the brain.

Katie dug it when I shot her in the brain, and she accepted my marriage proposal the next week!
 
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Here ya go Taos. From the Shot Show this weekend...

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It's an upper receiver that will fit on any AR lower, is chambered for the 5.7FN & takes the 50 round P90 mags (that's what the goofy looking thing over the barrel is).
 
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TRON;1086045; said:
So, .45 this and .22 carbine blasters that, does it really matter if you get one in the head?

You're still dead.
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Retired Green Beret Gets Court Martial After Shooting Intruder

BREVARD, Jan. 19, 2008 – Retired Army Green Beret Smokey Taylor got his court martial this weekend and came away feeling good about it.

Taylor, at age 80 the oldest member of Chapter XXXIII of the Special Forces Association, was on trial by his peers under the charge of “failing to use a weapon of sufficient caliber” in the shooting of an intruder at his home in Knoxville, TN, in December.

The entire affair, of course, was very much tongue in cheek. Taylor had been awakened in the early morning hours of Dec. 17, 2007, when an intruder broke into his home. He investigated the noises with one of his many weapons in hand.

When the intruder threatened him with a knife, Taylor warned him, then brought his .22 caliber pistol to bear and shot him right between the eyes.
“That boy had the hardest head I’ve ever seen,” Taylor said after his trial. “The bullet bounced right off.”

The impact knocked the would-be thief down momentarily. He crawled out of the room then got up and ran out the door and down the street. Knoxville police apprehended him a few blocks away and he now awaits trial in the Knox County jail.

The charges against Taylor were considered to be serious. He is a retired Special Forces Weapons Sergeant with extensive combat experience during the wars in Korea and Vietnam.

“Charges were brought against him under the premise that he should have saved the county and taxpayers the expense of a trial,” said Chapter XXXIII President Bill Long of Asheville. “He could have used a .45 or .38. The .22 just wasn’t big enough to get the job done.”

Taylor’s defense attorney, another retired Weapons Sergeant, disagreed. He said Taylor had done the right thing in choosing to arm himself with a .22.
“If he’d used a .45 or something like that the round would have gone right through the perp, the wall, the neighbor’s wall and possibly injured some innocent child asleep in its bed,” he said. “I believe the evidence shows that Smokey Taylor exercised excellent judgment in his choice of weapons. He did nothing wrong, and clearly remains to this day an excellent weapons man.”

Counsel for the defense then floated a theory as to why the bullet bounced off the perp’s forehead.

“He was victimized by old ammunition,” he said, “just as he was in Korea and again in Vietnam, when his units were issued ammo left over from World War II.”

Taylor said nothing in his own defense, choosing instead to allow his peers to debate the matter. After the trial he said the ammunition was indeed old and added the new information that the perp had soiled his pants as he crawled out of the house.

“I would have had an even worse mess to clean up if it had gone through his forehead,” Taylor said. “It was good for both of us that it didn’t.”

Following testimony from both sides, Taylor was acquitted of the charges and was given a round of applause.

Meanwhile, back in Knox County, the word is out: Don’t go messing with Smokey Taylor. He just bought a whole bunch of fresh ammo.
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where is the sign up sheet for the sgt taylor fan club?

muck, those are great pics. i had to do a double take even after reading the explaination. any idea how well does it holds up useability/reliable wise?
 
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martinss01;1086363; said:
muck, those are great pics. i had to do a double take even after reading the explaination. any idea how well does it holds up useability/reliable wise?
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You mean the P-90 FrankenAR?

No idea, it was a new design they showed at SHOT. I've never seen one and that was the first I'd heard of it.

To be honest I think it's more a solution looking for a problem than anything.

What exactly does it bring to the table that existing ARs don't?

It fires a weaker round than 5.56 and I have to wonder about the handling characteristics of putting the magazine over the barrel like that.

The only potential advantage I see is that it has a higher cap magazine. Magpul and others are working on 60rnd quad stack AR mags that would fit the current mag well and there's always the C-Mag and other drum mags so even that advantage is negated.

To be honest I think it's main market is going to be the guys who just buy them as a toy to fool around with.
 
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