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diehardbuckeye;2016499; said:
It's a terrible thing to see all those endangered species killed. My questions are. Who was taking care of them while he was in jail for a year?
How did he get them here to begin with?
If his intention was to kill himself why not just let them take care of him?
Can I get one of those pelts?
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He had a wife and I'm guessing a staff of people to help take care of the animals when he was there. I'd imagine one person being gone wouldn't make that much of a difference.

It was a licensed animal rescue. He didn't just have these things for the hell of it. Well, he probably had them just for the hell of it, but it wasn't illegal for him to have them.

He committed suicide, throw all logic out the window.

By the way, the animal cruelty was for a cow I'm pretty sure. Not that that makes a difference - I thought it was odd that he was still allowed to have all those animals. I'm guessing that's where the awful animal laws of Ohio kicks in, and probably what the sheriff was referring to when he said it had been a bad situation for a while.

People seem to think this guy had a bunch of exotic animals illegally/secretly. It was far from a secret, and he wasn't breaking laws by having them.

His wife is extremely nice and caring, by the way. I'm sure she's devastated by all this. She doesn't deserve it. From the few experiences I've had with her, she's a huge animal lover and can't be happy about all this.

Killing the animals is unfortunate, but if they were acting crazy like I've heard.. it needed to be done. Tranquilizers are fine from a distance and safety. The officers probably had neither. If Jack Hanna is ok with the killing of these animals, I'm not going to second guess it.
 
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TooTallMenardo;2016487; said:
It's a message board, that's what this is for... To discuss things right or wrong... .
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Bullshit! Clearly spewing dogshit lines like calling those people a disgrace, when you are clearly uninformed and apparently have no desire to inform yourself, is not what this place is about, regardless of topic.

Hiding behind the line, "I have an opinion too", is a tired reaction from the intentionally ignorant.
 
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Sorry about the animals, but the outrage is ridiculous. I have three kids all under the age of 5, I have no problem with what they did. Better those animals then my children. If everyone was so concerned about these animals, why weren't there protests outside this guys house who had supposedly mistreated the animals in the past. He'd had them at his house since 2004, I believe, and nobody seemed to care about them while they were locked up.


I'm more impressed with people who actually draw a line in the sand BEFORE there is some sort of tragedy. And I use "tragedy" very loosely because no HUMANS were hurt, thank God.
 
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I heard Jack Hanna say that the former Governor had passed legislation on the ability to have a place like this and that the current Governor had overturned the legislation. Does anyone know the facts behind this and why the overturn?
 
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buckeyebri;2016579; said:
I heard Jack Hanna say that the former Governor had passed legislation on the ability to have a place like this and that the current Governor had overturned the legislation. Does anyone know the facts behind this and why the overturn?
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not sure if this is what you're looking for.


Ohio Rule Issued to Prohibit Dangerous Wild Animals as Pets


COLUMBUS, Ohio ? The Humane Society of the United States applauds Ohio Gov. Ted Strickland for issuing an executive order that prohibits keeping dangerous wild animals as pets. The rule bans new private ownership of big cats, bears, primates, alligators, crocodiles, and particularly large and dangerous constricting snakes and venomous snakes. Individuals who currently possess these animals and who have never had their licenses revoked may keep them, but they must register with the state and microchip the animals. They cannot replace them once they die or are relinquished.
Ohio was one of fewer than 10 states with virtually no regulation of private ownership of dangerous wild animals. Private citizens generally cannot provide the sophisticated care these animals require in captivity.
?Dangerous wild animals do not belong in the backyards and basements of private citizens,? said Wayne Pacelle, president and CEO of The HSUS. ?It?s bad for the animals and dangerous for people. This emergency order is good for Ohio, and we look forward to seeing it implemented in the months ahead.?
?I want to sincerely thank Governor Ted Strickland for signing the executive order banning exotic animal ownership by private citizens in the state of Ohio,? said Deirdre Herbert, whose son, Brent Kandra, was killed in August 2010 after being mauled by a bear owned by notorious exotic animal owner Sam Mazzola. ?I believe that this valuable executive order will not only prevent other families from suffering the tragedy and loss as my family has experienced, but is also a humane act towards these majestic animals.?
Background

  • The recommendation to ban private ownership of dangerous wild animals was part of an agreement made in July 2010 among The Humane Society of the United States, Ohioans for Humane Farms, Ohio agriculture leaders and Gov. Strickland. The agreement also addressed factory farming, puppy mills and animal fighting, and put a planned ballot initiative on hold.
  • In 2009, The HSUS named Ohio as having some of the weakest exotic pet laws in the nation because it had no statewide restrictions on owning exotic pets. As a result, Ohio has become a center for breeding and selling wild and exotic animals.
  • Wild animals kept as pets in Ohio have killed and injured several people in the last few years. In addition to the tragic death of Brent Kandra in 2010, an Ohio man was killed by his pet python in 2006. That same year, a 500-pound bear escaped from an animal breeder, entered a neighboring home and attacked a woman. Two people were killed in 2004 and 2003 by venomous snakes kept as pets.
  • The Ohio Livestock Care Standards Board is making steady progress toward adopting all five agricultural elements of the June 2010 agreement. We expect legislation to be introduced in the Ohio legislature to strengthen the law against cockfighting and to set humane breeding standards for large-scale, commercial dog-breeding operations.
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http://www.humanesociety.org/news/press_releases/2011/01/ohio_exotic_pet_rule_010611.html
 
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My mother worked as a naturalist in Columbus and at times her and her colleagues at Ohio State (the Natural Resources program) worked with Jack. It would be on a panel of people discussing what to do about deer overpopulation, etc. I met him once or twice I think? I was very young, this was in the 80s. Anyway, everybody thought he was a dick.

He has done wonders for our zoo and for many causes involving animals, and public education, I think he just likely was very terse, dismissive, and spoke down to people and was, I don't know, pompous maybe? Again, this was a long time ago, who knows what he is like now, or if the things I heard about him then were true.
 
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FrancisSoyer;2016286; said:
This guy sounds like a piece of [Mark May]. Why not just kill yourself if things are going bad instead of putting everyone else in danger. I don't get it at all.
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I think we should pass a law requiring suicidal mentally ill folks to kill themselves more rationally and responsibly.
 
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Gatorubet;2016652; said:
I think we should pass a law requiring suicidal mentally ill folks to kill themselves more rationally and responsibly.
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While meant in jest, this makes a lot of sense in relation to natural law theory and there are plausible ways to make this happen. I'll save that for another time. :)
 
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Muck;2016643; said:
I wouldn't put too much stock in the press releases from the Humane Society of the United States.

The HSUS is little more than a money making front for it's lobbyists
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They are PETA in disguise, playing off the name of local humane societies.
 
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Wild animals kept as pets in Ohio have killed and injured several people in the last few years. In addition to the tragic death of Brent Kandra in 2010, an Ohio man was killed by his pet python in 2006. Two people were killed in 2004 and 2003 by venomous snakes kept as pets.
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Two words: natural selection
 
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