"Fredo, you're nothing to me now" (2008 version)

[Sportsbuck28]

..

And today, Michigan still sucks.

 

[Muck]

Current NFL players (Oct 07):

School:
The Ohio State University: 46
TSUN: 36

By State:

(2001)
Ohio 65
TSUN 45

(2003)
Ohio 68
TSUN 44

(2004)
Ohio 73
TSUN 45

(2005)
Ohio 78
TSUN 50

(2006)
Ohio 83
TSUN 49


Ohio - 1 N.F.L. player per 145,553 people
Michigan - 1 N.F.L. player per 198,769 people

 

[Jaxbuck]

Remind me about that next time someone sides with Joe Tiller and trashes Rich Rod for "stealing" someone else's recruit


They play in the Big Ten, don't they?

On the other hand, there being "more mid-majors in Ohio" is also kind of a dubious argument, isn't it? I don't pretend that Central Michigan is in competition for Michigan's recruits, and I don't pretend Kent State is in competition with Ohio State.

Regarding MSU, of the top 15 state recruits as chosen by the Detroit News, 5 went to U-M, 5 went to MSU, and 5 went out of state (Alabama, USC, Penn State, Notre Dame, Cincy). Competition is better than maybe it seems. State fans can bitch all they want about getting the leftovers from Michigan, OSU, and Notre Dame, but 1) they've had lousy coaches for nearly a decade now and 2) they've still managed a few wins over Michigan, so they must be doing something right in the recruiting department. True enough, nearly every Michigan commit from Michigan also has an offer in hand from MSU, while the other way round isn't true.

So let me get this straight.

The MSU vs scUM competition for instate talent proves that that tsun produces high school football talent evenly with the state of Ohio?


Really?

 

[jwinslow]

Lately in The Game, the only consistent michigan mercenary from Ohio only plays for a few minutes.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

Keep in mind that OSU has zero in-state competition for its talent.

And you have who? Michigan State?

I-A schools by state:

Ohio: (8)
Ohio State
Akron
Bowling Green
Cincinnati
Kent State
Miami
Ohio
Toledo

Michigan: (5)
Michigan
Michigan State
Eastern Michigan
Central Michigan
Western Michigan

 

[Sportsbuck28]

And you have who? Michigan State?

I-A schools by state:

Ohio: (8)
Ohio State
Akron
Bowling Green
Cincinnati
Kent State
Miami
Ohio
Toledo

Michigan: (5)
Michigan
Michigan State
Eastern Michigan
Central Michigan
Western Michigan

And not to mention the entire Big Ten (Including That Shithole Up North) and some of the best schools around the country live off of Ohio for recruiting..

 

[JCOSU86]

Keep in mind that OSU has zero in-state competition for its talent.

Ohio University is our rival. We have to compete with them for in-state talent. You can't have a rivalry when you win every year.[/paraphrasing Michigan fan from the 90's]

 

[buckandguinfan]

Let's not forget that two of their three Heisman Trophy Winners are from Ohio. Just thought I'd throw that in there.

 

[Mike80]

I think you're exaggerating.

Given a couple hours and my own damn computer (I'm stuck away from home for another two weeks or so) I'd research this more fully. Which I still will probably do. It's my estimation that Ohio does produce more talent than Michigan but it's farfetched to say Michigan "doesn't turn out anywhere near the amount of top-level talent." Keep in mind that OSU has zero in-state competition for its talent. If a guy wants to play close to home at the highest levels, he goes to OSU. If a guy in Michigan wants to play close to home at the highest levels, he has a choice between two schools. If a player in Ohio is sick of hearing all OSU all the time, he goes to Michigan. (We have gotten a few recruits this way.) If a guy in Michigan is sick of hearing all U-M all the time, he goes to MSU. In other words given that we don't have a monopoly on the talent, we have to raid Ohio and other states, while Tressel can simply pluck the low-hanging fruit and not worry that Toledo is gonna compete with him. That's always been my theory, anyway.

That excuse might have worked as little as 5-7 years ago, but with the explosion of both the internet and media coverage of both signing days and recruit rankings/committments/etc, it's quite obvious that the top players are recruited by schools NATIONWIDE, not just locally.

If you look, for example, at some of the recruits signed by Ohio State and/or USC, you'll see this is likely true......

 

[Steve19]

Current NFL players (Oct 07):

School:
The Ohio State University: 46
TSUN: 36

By State:

(2001)
Ohio 65
TSUN 45

(2003)
Ohio 68
TSUN 44

(2004)
Ohio 73
TSUN 45

(2005)
Ohio 78
TSUN 50

(2006)
Ohio 83
TSUN 49


Ohio - 1 N.F.L. player per 145,553 people
Michigan - 1 N.F.L. player per 198,769 people

Which means that someone from Ohio is 37% more likely to play for the NFL than one from Michigan.

 

[Steve19]

They play in the Big Ten, don't they?

...

Regarding MSU, of the top 15 state recruits as chosen by the Detroit News, 5 went to U-M, 5 went to MSU, and 5 went out of state (Alabama, USC, Penn State, Notre Dame, Cincy).

First, playing in the Big Ten doesn't mean a team is playing at the top-level. Just because you play against top-level teams doesn't make you top level. If it did, then the MAC teams on the OOS also are top-level by your logic.

Second, that the top 15 Michigan players went elsewhere is a measure of a lot of things. Some is environmental. Your state economy is in a melt-down and things are going to get a lot worse before they get better. After decades of neglect, Detroit is one of the most depressing places to be in America. It defines the term "rust-belt". When kids hear endless stories about people not being able to sell their houses and unending economic gloom, it's no surprise they want to get out.

Players also go elsewhere as a function of the slippage of what has been a premier program. With the exception of 2006, TSUN hasn't challenged seriously for a national championship in a decade.

I wonder about some other comparisons.

How many of those fifteen Michigan players had offers from Ohio State?

Of the top Ohio players that chose Ohio State, how many had offers from TSUN or MSU?

Of the top 15 Ohio players, how many left the state?

 

[Jaxbuck]

Thought I'd dust this one off for the new crop of guys who are smart (not like everyone says, like dumb) and want some respect.

Once its official of course.

 

[DaddyBigBucks]

Thought I'd dust this one off for the new crop of guys who are smart (not like everyone says, like dumb) and want some respect.

Once its official of course.

It'll be nice to take them fishing every November. Good times...

 

[Pheasant]

My daughter was born a couple months after this thread started, Michigan's record during her lifetime- 15-22.

Not only haven't they beaten Ohio State, they haven't beaten Michigan State...or Toledo.

They're even below .500 on winning seasons

This deserves a dancing celebration





:scum4:

 

[OH10]

Send them off to lose to Appy State. Send them off to lose to Toledo. Send them off to get blown out by Mississippi State in some Mickey Mouse Bowl game.