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FOX likely to go off the air on Time Warner Cable Dec. 31

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I'm not sure if this is the best place to put this, but since many on this board are likely planning on watching the BCS games on Fox in the next two weeks, I thought this would be appropriate. Can a mod move it to a better place, if there is one?
Fox will likely go dark in some 5.5 million Time Warner Cable homes at midnight Dec. 31, according to a memo to News Corp. employees sent Wednesday by the company's president, Chase Carey, who has been leading the negotiations with TWC on behalf of Fox and several entertainment and sports cable channels, including FX, Speed and Fox Soccer.

Also on Wednesday, Fox got an indirect vote of support in its battle with TWC from its Hulu partner ABC, which indicated it could be next to enter the fray.

"At this time, it looks like we will not reach an agreement and our channels may very well go off the air in Time Warner Cable systems at midnight tomorrow, Dec. 31," Carey wrote in the memo. "We deeply regret that millions of Fox customers will be deprived of our programming, but we need to receive fair compensation from Time Warner Cable to go forward with them."

In total, almost 15 million TWC homes which subscribe to News. Corp.'s cable channels in discussion, will lose signal Thursday night.

The memo was sent out hours after TWC chairman and CEO Glenn Britt sent a letter to Sen. John Kerry, copying Carey, in which he agreed to submit the dispute to binding arbitration before the FCC and proposed an interim agreement with Fox that would keep the network's signal on if a deal is not reached by the Dec. 31 deadline.

In his memo, Carey addressed the extension proposal.

"Some may ask why Fox isn't providing an extension while negotiations continue," he wrote. "The fact is that we've been trying since the summer to negotiate a fair deal and that further extensions simply extend the period of time that Time Warner profits from our marquee programming without fairly compensating Fox for it."

In response, a TWC spokeswoman said that "negotiations are ongoing, but Fox's current demands are still excessive. We continue to hope Fox won't punish our customers by taking their programming away."

Carey encourages Fox viewrs in the affected markets to switch to a satellite or a telephone provider.

"I can assure you that we have worked very hard over the past few months to prevent this event," he wrote. "While we are continuing to engage with Time Warner Cable to try to resolve the issues, we will not do a deal that does not value our programming fairly."

Carey once again took aim at TWC's claim that Fox's demand, said to be for $1 per subscriber per week, was unreasonable, reiterating its arguments that "our requested compensation is about equal to what Time Warner Cable pays TNT, a network with a fraction of the ratings and original programming of Fox, or about a quarter of what they pay ESPN, a network we again dwarf in ratings." He pointed to TWC's "40% profit margin," arguing that Fox's content has been a "driving force" in their profit growth yet not being compensated and that TWC's big profit margin would allow the company to pay the network without raising rates.

Carey also touched on the future of the broadcast networks, which have been looking to retransmission consent fees as a way to survive amid falling ratings ad rates.

"Our broadcast business cannot continue to build on the success you have achieved as an ad-supported-only network," he wrote.

Meanwhile, Disney -- whose ESPN commands the highest fee from cable providers, $4 -- chimed in in the spat with a statement by a spokesman.

"The hit programming on the ABC TV Network in tandem with the pre-eminent local news and community affairs efforts of our ten local ABC stations has tremendous value and is worthy of fair compensation," the statement read. "Overall, cable operators pay only about 25 dollars a month for all of the programming on the basic and expanded basic tiers, and they sell this to consumers for some 60 to 70 dollars. Considering these numbers and the fact that operators use these video offerings to up sell even higher margin broadband and phone services, blaming programmers for cable price increases is just plain wrong."
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Sounds like ABC may soon follow. If they don't get this resolved, it could be very bad news for TWC college football fans.

Plus I'll miss the Glee re-runs.
 
3074326;1629027; said:
Well.. if they screw this up I'm gone.

Or ... Winegard HD OTA Antenna


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College footall games scheduled on Fox, in the short term:

1-1-10 at 8:30 ET, Sugar Bowl, Cincy-Fla

1-2-10 at 2:00 ET, Cotton Bowl, Ole-Miss-Okla St

1-4-10 at 8:00 ET, Fiesta Bowl, TCU-Boise St

1-5-10 at 8:00 ET, Orange Bowl, Iowa-Ga Tech
 
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Overall, cable operators pay only about 25 dollars a month for all of the programming on the basic and expanded basic tiers, and they sell this to consumers for some 60 to 70 dollars.
According to my Time Warner bill:

Basic Service (The historical C-Bus market OTAs + TBS, TLC, WGN, History and CSPAN): 17.75
Standard Service (Cartoons & Sports, basically): 39.24

Not quite 60-70, and I know the 74 channels included in basic + standard package cost a damn stretch more than 25 dollars in broadcast/license fees after the BTN fiasco.

This is precisely one of the reasons I was mostly impartial to the BTN/TWC battle two-three years ago. Because it set a precedent for networks to take their plea directly to the court of public opinion, and TWC will always, always, always wind up looking like the bad guy, when they obviously do have a business they need to try and run profitably with competitors at every turn trying to monkey in on their business.

Sucks. TWC (and their customers) are ultimately the big losers, because eventually ABC will want more money, so of course NBC and CBS will want more money, etc ...

The sharks smell blood in the water.
 
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This part of Carey's argument is a crock of course ...

Carey once again took aim at TWC's claim that Fox's demand, said to be for $1 per subscriber per week, was unreasonable, reiterating its arguments that "our requested compensation is about equal to what Time Warner Cable pays TNT, a network with a fraction of the ratings and original programming of Fox, or about a quarter of what they pay ESPN, a network we again dwarf in ratings." He pointed to TWC's "40% profit margin," arguing that Fox's content has been a "driving force" in their profit growth yet not being compensated and that TWC's big profit margin would allow the company to pay the network without raising rates.
The problem is that TNT is cable only, Fox is not. The Fox stations in Dallas and NY and elsewhere are available OTA and are retransmiited. If Fox wants to be taken seriously in their pricing argument they should compare apples with apples.

Which would place FX against TNT and USA Network - where they fare very, very badly. (USA and TNT are in the top three of cable only networks, the other member of that top 3 is ESPN. Don't even try guessing how high in double digits you have to count to find the first FoxSports network, by comparison it is embarrassing - kind of like Carey's argument.

Now, if I were facing a lack of BCS bowl games, then sure I'd be in a huge fucking huff over this coming to a head, once again, at the same damned exact time of year. (For those with short memories, this same stunt was pulled barely a year or so ago).

But that doesn't mean we have to swallow one protagonist's argument whole over the other. I'd take the lesson that neither party gives a flying fuck about your needs.
 
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According to this site, where a TWC subscriber can enter his/her zip code and see what channels might be lost, here are the channels I will lose:

The following channels in your lineup could be affected by our ongoing negotiations with some programmers:

  • Food Network
  • Fox Reality Channel
  • Fox Soccer Channel
  • Fox Sports World Espanol
  • Fuel
  • FX
  • Great American Country
  • Speed Channel
I don't see FOX in that list, that is, I don't see how I won't be watching the bowl games coming up on FOX.

The only channel I would miss is Food Network. Can I request to keep Food Network and replace it with Faux News?
 
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buckiprof;1629045; said:
According to this site, where a TWC subscriber can enter his/her zip code and see what channels might be lost, here are the channels I will lose:

I don't see FOX in that list, that is, I don't see how I won't be watching the bowl games coming up on FOX.

The only channel I would miss is Food Network. Can I request to keep Food Network and replace it with Faux News?
Enter a NYC zipcode - say Manhattan (10028) it is WWOR and WNYW which are the retransmitted stations. Plus Food and stuff like that.

As for your wish about cherry picking your line-up TWC is, perhaps, listening ...

Time Warner Cable also is challenging the value of network TV. It says that Fox and others have hurt themselves by offering shows for free at websites such as Hulu.
The company's threatening to escalate the fight by giving consumers more flexibility to buy the networks they want. That could doom expensive or low-rated channels.
"What consumers are saying is, 'Why can't I buy less?' " says Melinda Witmer, chief programming officer at Time Warner Cable.
 
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The worst part is that they won't even be taking away the most useless channel on the planet: Fox News. For some reason, they'll take away our local affiliates but not that pile of shit. I'd do very well without any 24 hour "news" networks, thanks.
 
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sandgk;1629029; said:

For real--don't panic yet. I've used cable lines as a substitute for antennas. And whether you have an older TV with a convertor box, or a newer one, you should be able to run the channel search for "air" & have it pick them up. I'm too cheap to pay T/W extra for digital--I have very basic 70 channel cable, but when I ran the channel search on my new TV earlier this month, it loaded up both the cable analog & the .000s for the digital version of ABC, Fox, etc. Give it a try if you lose your signal tonight.
 
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MaxBuck;1629039; said:
WideOpenWest (WOW).

It's the easy answer. Believe me, it's a much better company than Time Warner.


As much as I dislike TW as a company, their HD selection is much better than WOWs, and since thats all I care about I cant bring myself to switch.

What about AT&T? Anyone have their U-Verse service?
 
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strohs;1629214; said:
What about AT&T? Anyone have their U-Verse service?

My grandparents have it, and I love it. It is faster and has better features than both TWC and DTV.

The only problem is that it is scarcely available. For example, they will install in across the street from my neighborhood, but can't install it anywhere within my neighborhood.
 
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