Former Dir. of FB Performance Eric Lichter (Official Thread)

[BB73]

This BN article has a link to an 11-minute audio interview on TheFAN with Chris Spielman and Bruce Hooley.

Some interesting stuff about what the University can provide the athletes, and nutritional supplements.

bucknuts

http://www.bucknuts.com/audio/lichter21009.wma

 

[hawaiianbuckeye]

Didn't listen but did they say anything about Vitamin Water? Apparently, there are some ingredients in that stuff that can trigger a "false" positive on a test. At least that's what someone was saying from OSU who I overheard at Easy Lliving Deli on Lane Ave.

 

[Dryden]

You know what, I blame Lichter for Beanie and D-Wash declaring early! Really. Who would want to come back for their Sr years when the S&C coach is bogarting their birthday cakes?

JWinslow

Eric Lichter stealing two birthday cakes (Beanie, Washington) that were left by the parents. It's all business now.

Barwis may have his pet wolves, but Lichter yoinks birthday cakes.

 

[JohnnyCockfight]

The 2 main things regarding nutritional supplements that I took from the interview:

1. Schools may provide things like post-workout shakes or bars, with the caveat that protein must make up no more than 30% of the calories in the product.

2. Schools cannot recommend that the student athletes take supplements (i.e. you should be taking BSN NO-Explode before your workouts), but they may educate as to what the supplements do, scientifically, and as to the reputability of the companies making the supplements.

 

[akronbuck]

Didn't listen but did they say anything about Vitamin Water? Apparently, there are some ingredients in that stuff that can trigger a "false" positive on a test. At least that's what someone was saying from OSU who I overheard at Easy Lliving Deli on Lane Ave.

the ones with low carb , low/high fiber and no sugar are the best. Stay away from Gatorade unless, its the zero one.

Listing and watching the audio was a TRIP anyone have some:)

I'm not a big fan of Lichter. He brings up cardio/endurance in that audio and one thing I posted before,about the lineman always being tired and out of shape. He didn't train the lineman like the way he could've. They need ENDURANCE PLEASE. The guy that taught me is really respected by all the big names in this business.He thinks Lichter does a great job but, a few things he told me that he needs to do different things for each type of athlete of size not the same thing . They can take B 6 and B 12 whenever they eat and that does wonders for your body to recover from all the hard work.

 

[MUBuck]

He didn't train the lineman like the way he could've. They need ENDURANCE PLEASE.

If you mean make the lineman run distance, that's the worst possible thing you can do for a power athlete. I didn't listen to the interview, but if he's making them do a multitude of short-duration high-intensity exercises (which I'm sure he is), then he's doing the right thing.

 

[akronbuck]

If you mean make the lineman run distance, that's the worst possible thing you can do for a power athlete. I didn't listen to the interview, but if he's making them do a multitude of short-duration high-intensity exercises (which I'm sure he is), then he's doing the right thing.

little long distance for a lineman. More of huge variety of training different types of sporting activities like, yoga, martial arts,swimming,boxing,stretching,,,,,,,,,,, Not all but, he/Lichter would notice what each player would need to do to improve his weaknesses and positives. Those would be off/on,,,,,with heavy lifting Just like he said. He didn't train them individually that I can tell .The game has changed so much, that the players need it. For example, gifted athletic types should focus more on strength then, speed and endurance in a 2 or 3 week training to a 1 week of speed. Bigger players, need the Cardio/endurances/ hand/arm reactions for 2 or 3 weeks training then , the strength for a week or 2.
Differences in the weeks training would go with the results each player had doing it. Look at the lineman then, compare them to the rest of team. Someone missed the Cardio training and had the worse diet

 

[jrandosu]

Seems like there may have been a few guys who didn't 100% commit to training and diet. There is a level of responsiblity of the players that cannot be ignored. If you have a guy sucking down "pops" by the dozens instead of properly refueling his body, the results will surely suffer.

 

[MUBuck]

little long distance for a lineman. More of huge variety of training different types of sporting activities like, yoga, martial arts,swimming,boxing,stretching,,,,,,,,,,, Not all but, he/Lichter would notice what each player would need to do to improve his weaknesses and positives. Those would be off/on,,,,,with heavy lifting Just like he said. He didn't train them individually that I can tell .The game has changed so much, that the players need it. For example, gifted athletic types should focus more on strength then, speed and endurance in a 2 or 3 week training to a 1 week of speed. Bigger players, need the Cardio/endurances/ hand/arm reactions for 2 or 3 weeks training then , the strength for a week or 2.
Differences in the weeks training would go with the results each player had doing it. Look at the lineman then, compare them to the rest of team. Someone missed the Cardio training and had the worse diet

I'm sorry, but you're wrong. Football players are power athletes, no matter the position. Running anything but sprints is a waste of time (other than a warm-up jog). It's the principle of specificity; you train like you would play. At no time in a football game do you jog. At no time in a football game do you run for more than 10-15 seconds tops, and that's only a select few positions. Physiologically speaking, very, very rarely would a football player ever use an energy pathway other than the creatine phosphate pathway. Football is an anaerobic sport, and training aerobically is actually counterproductive. I'm sorry if it seems like I'm going off on you, but this is something that fans just don't understand about training. They aren't training for a bodybuilding competition, they're training too be quicker, faster, and more powerful.

 

[bukIpower]

I'm sorry, but you're wrong. Football players are power athletes, no matter the position. Running anything but sprints is a waste of time (other than a warm-up jog). It's the principle of specificity; you train like you would play. At no time in a football game do you jog. At no time in a football game do you run for more than 10-15 seconds tops, and that's only a select few positions. Physiologically speaking, very, very rarely would a football player ever use an energy pathway other than the creatine phosphate pathway. Football is an anaerobic sport, and training aerobically is actually counterproductive. I'm sorry if it seems like I'm going off on you, but this is something that fans just don't understand about training. They aren't training for a bodybuilding competition, they're training too be quicker, faster, and more powerful.

I agree with some of this, but football players IMO also need to train aerobically as well. Not extensively, but not everything has to be 40 yard dashes either. Plyometrics lasting longer then 10 seconds is extremely common. As are agility drills, balance drills, and flexibility drills. Not everything has to be done anaerobically.

Also yes, if you're working anaerobically creatine really comes into play. However, b6 and b12 are both great sources for energy. More so than creatine? No, not in this case but creatine also isn't a necessity either.

Also you're not really in a position to say he's wrong, because there's MANY ways to do things. There's not really a set way. For example yeah I wouldn't want to see my players kicking and punching in a Karate class or something very frequently, but Yoga for example or Pilates is EXTREMELY demanding on the core. Core strength cannot be stressed enough in football. Swimming? Also a pretty good workout for around this time of the year. They're going to run, they're going to lift, so why not do something this time of the year that takes stress of the joints such as swimming? Stretching? well I think you knwo how important that is in football. I'm not saying they should be a staple in someone's training but certainly it wouldn't hurt to do these things from time to time.

While not a bodybuilding competition, football training is far more complicated than lining up and running around for 10 seconds. Again unless an obvious FACT, I wouldn't straight out say a member is wrong. What you said is your opinion, and I agree with some of it. However, I also disagree with some of it because I believe there's many ways to do things. IMO the more diverse the better. Which is why you don't see a template workout regime throughout college football.

 

[MUBuck]

I agree with some of this, but football players IMO also need to train aerobically as well. Not extensively, but not everything has to be 40 yard dashes either. Plyometrics lasting longer then 10 seconds is extremely common. As are agility drills, balance drills, and flexibility drills. Not everything has to be done anaerobically.

Also yes, if you're working anaerobically creatine really comes into play. However, b6 and b12 are both great sources for energy. More so than creatine? No, not in this case but creatine also isn't a necessity either.

Also you're not really in a position to say he's wrong, because there's MANY ways to do things. There's not really a set way. For example yeah I wouldn't want to see my players kicking and punching in a Karate class or something very frequently, but Yoga for example or Pilates is EXTREMELY demanding on the core. Core strength cannot be stressed enough in football. Swimming? Also a pretty good workout for around this time of the year. They're going to run, they're going to lift, so why not do something this time of the year that takes stress of the joints such as swimming? Stretching? well I think you knwo how important that is in football. I'm not saying they should be a staple in someone's training but certainly it wouldn't hurt to do these things from time to time.

While not a bodybuilding competition, football training is far more complicated than lining up and running around for 10 seconds. Again unless an obvious FACT, I wouldn't straight out say a member is wrong. What you said is your opinion, and I agree with some of it. However, I also disagree with some of it because I believe there's many ways to do things. IMO the more diverse the better. Which is why you don't see a template workout regime throughout college football.

This isn't my opinion. Open up an exercise physiology book if you really want to learn about the science behind power training.

By the way, you can't get energy from vitamins or minerals, so you in fact do not get energy from B6 or B12.

And yes, creatine IS a necessity. The CP pathway is how you get virtually all of your ATP production in exercises from 5-10 seconds in duration. The better trained an athlete, the more that time frame elongates.

I didn't say stretching or yoga or any of those workouts were wrong, I said aerobic training is counterproductive to power athletes. Maybe I was unclear, but my point was that training at anything besides maximal effort is not worthwhile.

Again, not my opinion, this is the opinion of the ex. phys. experts that write textbooks.

 

[southcampus]

As a former distance runner, I became pretty knowledgeable about aerobic and anaerobic muscle workouts to the point where I feel I can chime in on this. Doing aerobic work tears down muscles used for quick bursts and power. Pretty much any pace sustained over 20 minutes will take you into that aerobic territory. Why would you suggest any football player do aerobic work that would cut fat and muscle and get you into a completely different type of "shape." There is no point to it. You could be the best distance runner in the world but have a tough time playing a game of basketball. Completely different kind of fitness in which one actually takes a toll on the other.

 

[tundra1]

the ones with low carb , low/high fiber and no sugar are the best. Stay away from Gatorade unless, its the zero one.

Stay away from Gatorade, period. Not because it's bad for you...because the University of Florida still makes royalties off the stuff. Why support them? Drink Powerade instead.

 

[jwinslow]

Stay away from Gatorade, period. Not because it's bad for you...because the University of Florida still makes royalties off the stuff. Why support them? Drink Powerade instead.

Tastes a lot better...

 

[akronbuck]

I'm sorry, but you're wrong. Football players are power athletes, no matter the position. Running anything but sprints is a waste of time (other than a warm-up jog). It's the principle of specificity; you train like you would play. At no time in a football game do you jog. At no time in a football game do you run for more than 10-15 seconds tops, and that's only a select few positions. Physiologically speaking, very, very rarely would a football player ever use an energy pathway other than the creatine phosphate pathway. Football is an anaerobic sport, and training aerobically is actually counterproductive. I'm sorry if it seems like I'm going off on you, but this is something that fans just don't understand about training. They aren't training for a bodybuilding competition, they're training too be quicker, faster, and more powerful.

Onething, I agee with you about is the speed training but, I don't think you got my post or mis-understood me but, a change of how long you train one way is wrong. If you want any benefits/ improvements for a player you would need to change to a weekly type of training and
some doing more and some do least. It would only help with the body recovery time so he could continue the hard as heck training but,each player would have to be trained DIFFERENTly for size and needs.
.Doing strength/sprint stuff all the time would break your body down and take away from your positives. Your way is like old style training. You don't train like that now a days You have to change your work out system back and forth and Lichter would know and he does that with most the players except, the lineman.
You never train the group/team the same stuff. Thats what your missing.Take a look at the linemen and how many look in shape, THE FRESHMAN yes and why? Because, OSU finally is adjusting with the change of the game with that type of recruiting.
How many Orlando Paces come along so,the other recruits have to be smaller/faster too make up for not being another PACE.
I'm not sure if you follow what type of big players OSU are recruiting now but, very agile, athletic,leaner and faster. The game has changed so much that all the top programs have too. I wouldn't be surprised if OSU goes with smaller/faster LB'ERS to adjust with the spread offense since, thats the way the game is being played now. For how long, no idea.
Like Moeller/hines playing OLB and the bigger LB'ERS like what we have being moved down to DE like we have witnessed with Gibson.
The reason I brought up different type of sport activities because, each player reacts differently for the needed help from training. For ex, some big players would do yoga/pilate and walk in water or swim to avoid any Knee/joints/ligament damages or pain some the opposite.

anyway the time has changed from what we were told or taught . 20 years from now people will laugh at us like I laugh at the old ways from a the old ways