Former DC Kerry Coombs (Former Cincy Bearcats Interim Head Coach)

[Honor&Glory]

A bit unfair. Coombs has already proven his worth. Bill Davis he is not.

as a recruiter and motivator. I am not sure he has proved himself as a play caller, schemer or position coach.

 

[Hstead]

I can't see the exact zone coverage on the back end. I never said it was man coverage, that was fairly obvious. But the scheme has Tuf trying to get deep on the seam to make Jones throw it over top of him. He is too damn slow, Sark recognized it, moved Smith to the slot and it was like taking candy from a baby. This was some bad coaching. To expect Tuf to cover any player with any speed is not smart. I have made myself fairly clear about my feelings on Tuf's ability to cover and this play among many others demonstrates why. Tuf I am sure is tough as hell, smart, and a hard worker. He just doesn't have the foot speed to play at the highest level.

Edit - from watching it several times, my guess is it looks like it was Cover 3 hence why Williamson headed for the Deep middle. Again, poor scheme, Sark knew exactly where to get the easy pitch and catch because there is no way Borland is getting there. Watch it close, Tuf immediately heads for Smith, takes a poor angle to be honest, and then just gets smoked right by him. It was not hard to throw it over the top of him.

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

as a recruiter and motivator. I am not sure he has proved himself as a play caller, schemer or position coach.

Position coach? How many DBs did he put into the league?

 

[pnuts34]

It isn't so much getting to the NCG and losing for me, but it's what we saw schematically, game planning, lack of in-game adjustments, and what he is teaching throughout the entire year, which translated to a suspect pass defense on Saturday's. Sure, you can say this group of DB's isn't as talented as the group that just left, but they are doing things technique-wise with their head and hands that we saw from past bad pass defenses that worry me going forward. The technique, false steps, where their eyes are, tackling, ball separation skills, high pointing the ball, forcing TO's, support angles, ect.... were all over the place this year leading to big plays. That's a direct result of coaching. I think you are under-selling Hafley despite having more talent to work with.

Did you forget that he was here previously and coached guys like Vonn Bell, Bradley Roby,Doran Grant, Marshon Lattimore, Tyvis Powell, Denzel Ward, etc, and no one had problems with his techniques then... I’m not under selling Hafley, but thinking you’re giving him too much credit, especially for guys that Coombs recruited. I’m just saying give the man another year, and that Hafley wouldn’t have near the success in the same circumstances that Coombs dealt with this year. And Coombs did a pretty good job in Tennesse last year against much better QBs and more complex defenses in a normal season. If in a non COVID-19 year, we see similar results, I am more than happy to eat a barrel of crow. Until then,I think we owe the man a year of grace. Especially in an f-ed up year where we still got to the NC with no fall camp, and no early OOC games to work kinks out

 

[pnuts34]

Position coach? How many DBs did he put into the league?

A few... I mean he’s the reason why OSU is referred to as DBU, but it seems everyone is forgetting that...

 

[ScriptOhio]

Did you forget that he was here previously and coached guys like Vonn Bell, Bradley Roby,Doran Grant, Marshon Lattimore, Tyvis Powell, Denzel Ward, etc, and no one had problems with his techniques then... I’m not under selling Hafley, but thinking you’re giving him too much credit, especially for guys that Coombs recruited. I’m just saying give the man another year, and that Hafley wouldn’t have near the success in the same circumstances that Coombs dealt with this year. And Coombs did a pretty good job in Tennesse last year against much better QBs and more complex defenses in a normal season. If in a non COVID-19 year, we see similar results, I am more than happy to eat a barrel of crow. Until then,I think we owe the man a year of grace. Especially in an f-ed up year where we still got to the NC with no fall camp, and no early OOC games to work kinks out

A few... I mean he’s the reason why OSU is referred to as DBU, but it seems everyone is forgetting that...

Yeah, in coaching you are only as good as your last game; some fans have a very short memory....

 

[Thump]

I do know many of us were never a fan of the face-guarding but that is what is taught in most of the NFL.

 

[Fungo Squiggly]

Please watch the replay again. Tuf was the underneath guy in a zone and Williamson was over the top. Williamson INEXPLICABLY went the opposite direction. Now that doesn't mean the call still sucked but it wasn't tuf in man to man press coverage with Smith

that’s true, but the 2 WR on the opposite both seemed to be running deeper routes, meaning that Williamson needed to be looking that way, allowing Smith to run free with no safety help. Which strikes me as a failing of the scheme if Bama knew exactly what the safety was going to do. It’s possible that they just happened to call the exact right play to run against the defense OSU played, but that seemed to be the case more often than not on Monday.

it could just be that Bama called a better game, threw in new wrinkles OSU hadn’t seen, or just got really lucky, but the ease with which they shredded the defense is absolutely concerning to me. Some of the plays they ran (like their last TD to a WR I’ve never even heard of) wouldn’t have been stopped even if the Bucks had the 85 Bears out there on defense. Wade was still a mile and a half away from his man when the ball was caught on a play Bama had run repeatedly. That worries me a lot.

I’m not in the “fire Coombs!” camp, but I’m definitely in the “I want to see marked improvement next year or else” camp.

 

[brodybuck21]

that’s true, but the 2 WR on the opposite both seemed to be running deeper routes, meaning that Williamson needed to be looking that way, allowing Smith to run free with no safety help. Which strikes me as a failing of the scheme if Bama knew exactly what the safety was going to do. It’s possible that they just happened to call the exact right play to run against the defense OSU played, but that seemed to be the case more often than not on Monday.

it could just be that Bama called a better game, threw in new wrinkles OSU hadn’t seen, or just got really lucky, but the ease with which they shredded the defense is absolutely concerning to me. Some of the plays they ran (like their last TD to a WR I’ve never even heard of) wouldn’t have been stopped even if the Bucks had the 85 Bears out there on defense. Wade was still a mile and a half away from his man when the ball was caught on a play Bama had run repeatedly. That worries me a lot.

I’m not in the “fire Coombs!” camp, but I’m definitely in the “I want to see marked improvement next year or else” camp.

Agreed

 

[pnuts34]

that’s true, but the 2 WR on the opposite both seemed to be running deeper routes, meaning that Williamson needed to be looking that way, allowing Smith to run free with no safety help. Which strikes me as a failing of the scheme if Bama knew exactly what the safety was going to do. It’s possible that they just happened to call the exact right play to run against the defense OSU played, but that seemed to be the case more often than not on Monday.

it could just be that Bama called a better game, threw in new wrinkles OSU hadn’t seen, or just got really lucky, but the ease with which they shredded the defense is absolutely concerning to me. Some of the plays they ran (like their last TD to a WR I’ve never even heard of) wouldn’t have been stopped even if the Bucks had the 85 Bears out there on defense. Wade was still a mile and a half away from his man when the ball was caught on a play Bama had run repeatedly. That worries me a lot.

I’m not in the “fire Coombs!” camp, but I’m definitely in the “I want to see marked improvement next year or else” camp.

I forgot what podcast I was listening to, but Duane Long was on it and called out Williamson for making the wrong decision on that exact play. And he questioned the football IQ of the DBs more than just the coaching of Coombs. I understand that most were first time starters, but outside of Ransom, we started guys who have been at OSU for almost 3yrs. Blame can't be ALL on the coach.

 

[ScriptOhio]

that’s true, but the 2 WR on the opposite both seemed to be running deeper routes, meaning that Williamson needed to be looking that way, allowing Smith to run free with no safety help. Which strikes me as a failing of the scheme if Bama knew exactly what the safety was going to do. It’s possible that they just happened to call the exact right play to run against the defense OSU played, but that seemed to be the case more often than not on Monday.

it could just be that Bama called a better game, threw in new wrinkles OSU hadn’t seen, or just got really lucky, but the ease with which they shredded the defense is absolutely concerning to me. Some of the plays they ran (like their last TD to a WR I’ve never even heard of) wouldn’t have been stopped even if the Bucks had the 85 Bears out there on defense. Wade was still a mile and a half away from his man when the ball was caught on a play Bama had run repeatedly. That worries me a lot.

I’m not in the “fire Coombs!” camp, but I’m definitely in the “I want to see marked improvement next year or else” camp.

Just sayin': Sounds to me like we need to send some coaches/staffers to the "Brent Venables School Of Sign Stealing"....

 

[brodybuck21]

From last years secondary we lost;
Okudah (starter for Detroit)
Arnette (starter for Las Vegas)
Fuller (starter for LA Rams)
Brendan white (transfer to Rutgers)
Amir riep (criminal)
Jahsen wint (criminal)
Isiah Pryor (transfer to ND)
Cam brown (achilles tear this year)

Our 2020 secondary depth was gutted before the season even started. Also didn't help that Coach Grinch (now at Okl) didn't recruit a single CB when he was here in 2018 and then we lost a stud 2019 CB recruit when Hafley (now at BC) left. Don't get me wrong this years pass defense results are unacceptable

 

[pnuts34]

From last years secondary we lost;
Okudah (starter for Detroit)
Arnette (starter for Las Vegas)
Fuller (starter for LA Rams)
Brendan white (transfer to Rutgers)
Amir riep (criminal)
Jahsen wint (criminal)
Isiah Pryor (transfer to ND)
Cam brown (achilles tear this year)

Our 2020 secondary depth was gutted before the season even started. Also didn't help that Coach Grinch (now at Okl) didn't recruit a single CB when he was here in 2018 and then we lost a stud 2019 CB recruit when Hafley (now at BC) left. Don't get me wrong this years pass defense results are unacceptable

Tbh, Wint and Pryor were addition by subtraction. But we could've used Riep and even White.

 

[cincibuck]

I can't see the exact zone coverage on the back end. I never said it was man coverage, that was fairly obvious. But the scheme has Tuf trying to get deep on the seam to make Jones throw it over top of him. He is too damn slow, Sark recognized it, moved Smith to the slot and it was like taking candy from a baby. This was some bad coaching. To expect Tuf to cover any player with any speed is not smart. I have made myself fairly clear about my feelings on Tuf's ability to cover and this play among many others demonstrates why. Tuf I am sure is tough as hell, smart, and a hard worker. He just doesn't have the foot speed to play at the highest level.

Edit - from watching it several times, my guess is it looks like it was Cover 3 hence why Williamson headed for the Deep middle. Again, poor scheme, Sark knew exactly where to get the easy pitch and catch because there is no way Borland is getting there. Watch it close, Tuf immediately heads for Smith, takes a poor angle to be honest, and then just gets smoked right by him. It was not hard to throw it over the top of him.

How do we know for sure that it was bad coaching? Do we know who was available to play? Who was at 100%? Was Tuf capable of covering as long as the passer was getting rushed the way Lawrence was? Could it be that that scheme worked against Clemson because Togiai, Smith, and Cooper were in Lawrence's face all night long? Unless you're clairvoyant, I don't know how you can be sure that the fault lies with Coombs.

 

[Hstead]

How do we know for sure that it was bad coaching? Do we know who was available to play? Who was at 100%? Was Tuf capable of covering as long as the passer was getting rushed the way Lawrence was? Could it be that that scheme worked against Clemson because Togiai, Smith, and Cooper were in Lawrence's face all night long? Unless you're clairvoyant, I don't know how you can be sure that the fault lies with Coombs.

Are you serious? Evidently Sark is clairvoyant.