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kn1f3party said:
The debate isn't FSU or tCun though, it's FSU over UT and/or Alabama.
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the debate should be about the entire top 4.
If Michigan's schedule is good enough to be #1, the FSU's is good enough to be in the top 4.

if Michigan being undefeated is enough to overcome a weak ass schedule, then so should FSU.

but honestly to arrive at these 4 teams in this particular order, you basically have to change your criteria for each one.
or to put it more bluntly, intentionally manipulate your results.


Jaxbuck said:
No one was cheated and "fair" is a word children use on playgrounds.
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and "bullshit" is the word adults use when they sniff out some corrupt shenanigans happening.
 
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Nutriaitch said:
the debate should be about the entire top 4.
If Michigan's schedule is good enough to be #1, the FSU's is good enough to be in the top 4.

if Michigan being undefeated is enough to overcome a weak ass schedule, then so should FSU.

but honestly to arrive at these 4 teams in this particular order, you basically have to change your criteria for each one.
or to put it more bluntly, intentionally manipulate your results.




and "bullshit" is the word adults use when they sniff out some corrupt shenanigans happening.
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More than one thing can be true. tCun could have a shit schedule but still be considered #1 in the committee's eyes. I'm with @Jaxbuck on this one. You want objectivity and rationality from a subjective and irrational process. That's going to frustrate the hell out of you. No committee process is possible to end with everyone satisfied they got it right.
 
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kn1f3party said:
More than one thing can be true. tCun could have a shit schedule but still be considered #1 in the committee's eyes.
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sure they can and I'm not even saying those bastards aren't #1.
but their schedule rank and FSU's are close enough to each other than you pretty much have to call them equal. And if unbeaten with Michigan's schedule is good enough to be #1, Then unbeaten with FSU's schedule is good enough to at least be in the top 4.

or the reverse. If unbeaten with FSU's schedule doesn't crack the top 4 and you leapfrog Bama and Texas over them, then you also have to leapfrog them over Michigan.

I don't even care which of those you chose.
but pick one and say stand by it.

kn1f3party said:
I'm with @Jaxbuck on this one. You want objectivity and rationality from a subjective and irrational process. That's going to frustrate the hell out of you. No committee process is possible to end with everyone satisfied they got it right.
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no, I want consistency.
if what ever thought process to you Michigan at #1 is the one we're using, then use it across the board. What ever it is.
Don't get to #3 and suddenly say "wait, let's do it this way instead"

Don't also say "well with a backup QB, FSU just isn't going to win any of these games", but then rank them above UGA.

it's all complete bullshit.
but prior to this year, they would attempt to hide their manipulation and make it look like the games already played mattered in some way.
 
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Nutriaitch said:
sure they can and I'm not even saying those bastards aren't #1.
but their schedule rank and FSU's are close enough to each other than you pretty much have to call them equal. And if unbeaten with Michigan's schedule is good enough to be #1, Then unbeaten with FSU's schedule is good enough to at least be in the top 4.

or the reverse. If unbeaten with FSU's schedule doesn't crack the top 4 and you leapfrog Bama and Texas over them, then you also have to leapfrog them over Michigan.

I don't even care which of those you chose.
but pick one and say stand by it.



no, I want consistency.
if what ever thought process to you Michigan at #1 is the one we're using, then use it across the board. What ever it is.
Don't get to #3 and suddenly say "wait, let's do it this way instead"

Don't also say "well with a backup QB, FSU just isn't going to win any of these games", but then rank them above UGA.

it's all complete bullshit.
but prior to this year, they would attempt to hide their manipulation and make it look like the games already played mattered in some way.
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I agree. Now do the Heisman voting. 8D
 
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Nutriaitch said:
but prior to this year, they would attempt to hide their manipulation and make it look like the games already played mattered in some way.
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That isn't true though. In 2014 we got in over Baylor and TCU because the Big XII elected not to have a title game. Our 1 loss was arguably worse that year and we were down to our third string quarterback. There was plenty of controversy about the inconsistencies. The only unbeaten was FSU and they were ranked 3rd that year.

Fortunately, the season isn't over. FSU can prove them wrong by winning that game convincingly. I hope they do. But all the theatrics are going to make it easy to forget they were wronged if they get steamrolled.
 
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kn1f3party said:
That's the history FSU is up against though... had they come in and dominated those games without Jordan Travis they'd be in the playoff. I truly believe that. Urban knew we had to be ruthless to get in that year.
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I agree that is the standard, but that isn't how your post read to me.

I mean CFB has been "Whose Line Is It Anyway" for a long time.
 
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LovelandBuckeye said:
I agree that is the standard, but that isn't how your post read to me.

I mean CFB has been "Whose Line Is It Anyway" for a long time.
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I was only speaking to the inconsistencies people complained about back then, not whether they got it right or not. I concluded the post with the fact that the season isn't over. FSU can still prove the committee wrong similar to how we proved them correct in 2014. I don't think they will but I hope they do.
 
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kn1f3party said:
That isn't true though. In 2014 we got in over Baylor and TCU because the Big XII elected not to have a title game.
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winning that game 59-0 is a rather important detail to leave out.
plus, y'all got in over power 5 "champs" with the same record as you.




kn1f3party said:
Fortunately, the season isn't over. FSU can prove them wrong by winning that game convincingly. I hope they do. But all the theatrics are going to make it easy to forget they were wronged if they get steamrolled.
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with opt outs, etc. those 2 teams will both be fractions of the teams that would have played in a playoff scenario, so really that winner proves nothing.

plus I've seen this movie before and can tell you how it ends.

1. UGA wins - "see we told you FSU wasn't playoff material"
2. FSU wins - "well we've seen before teams with higher aspirations don't put out the same effort in these bowl games.. and Georgia clearly didn't want to be here"
 
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