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Game Thread Fiesta Bowl 2016 - tOSU vs Notre Dame, Friday 1/1 @ 1pET, ESPN

Looking great in a couple of games and good in two more, but mediocre in 7 more, and awful in 1 is not a description of a playoff team.
Well, actually that description is MSU exactly. Just so happened that their awful game was against a non-contender in Nebraska and OSU's awful game was against a contender in MSU. MSU was VERY VERY mediocre (more so than OSU) over the course of the season.
 
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Well, actually that description is MSU exactly. Just so happened that their awful game was against a non-contender in Nebraska and OSU's awful game was against a contender in MSU. MSU was VERY VERY mediocre (more so than OSU) over the course of the season.

Michigan State looked great in two games this year? The Penn State game was the closest they ever got, and that was against a team that quit, with a boob for a head coach, and with their horribly overrated top defensive lineman standing on the sidelines for yet another game.
 
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OHIO STATE PREPARING TO SEE 'SIMILAR OFFENSE' IN FIESTA BOWL MATCHUP WITH NOTRE DAME

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As Luke Fickell strolls the sidelines New Year’s Day and Ohio State’s defense trots out onto the field and lines up for its first snap of the Fiesta Bowl, the Buckeyes’ defensive coordinator will see something has has seen plenty of times before on the other side of the ball.

“I would say, for us, this is one of the more similar games to what our offense does,” Fickell said last week during Ohio State’s Fiesta Bowl media day.

The days of Ohio State and Notre Dame — two traditional Midwest powers — lining up in the I-formation and running the ball down the field are long gone, though. Both teams moved to spread-type look years ago with the arrivals of Urban Meyer and Brian Kelly and both have been successful.

Under Meyer, we know the Buckeyes’ offense is a power-spread type that’s primary focus is establishing the downhill running game. There are some quarterback runs mixed in, along with play-action passes down the field to open things up a bit.

Playing behind an experienced offensive line, Ohio State quarterback J.T. Barrett and running back Ezekiel Elliott have been dominant, at times, working their craft together.

Notre Dame’s attack is somewhat similar, Fickell said, but it also has a couple of differences as no two offenses are going to be completely alike.

“They still run the ball and run it very well. They will also run the quarterback,” he said. “But they might line up in empty [backfield] a little more and do the dropback pass a little bit more.”

Entire article: http://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-...ffense-in-fiesta-bowl-matchup-with-notre-dame
 
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Michigan State looked great in two games this year? The Penn State game was the closest they ever got, and that was against a team that quit, with a boob for a head coach, and with their horribly overrated top defensive lineman standing on the sidelines for yet another game.
They held osu to 130 yards of offense and 14 points*. They scored 17 points and rushed for 200 yards against osu on the road in a storm with a backup QB. Don't let 17-14 cloud your viewpoint on that game. They dominated osu.

Edit: and I'm assuming you disagree with the OP even more considering you're saying msu's resume is even worse?

*35 yard field after offensive fumble and 5 yard field after special teams blunder. Osu easily could have been shut out. At minimum probably should have scored only 7 points if you take out the TD after the ST blunder.
 
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They held osu to 130 yards of offense and 14 points*. They scored 17 points and rushed for 200 yards against osu on the road in a storm with a backup QB. Don't let 17-14 cloud your viewpoint on that game. They dominated osu.

Edit: and I'm assuming you disagree with the OP even more considering you're saying msu's resume is even worse?

*35 yard field after offensive fumble and 5 yard field after special teams blunder. Osu easily could have been shut out. At minimum probably should have scored only 7 points if you take out the TD after the ST blunder.

I'm well aware of what transpired in the OSU/MSU game. And I wouldn't call that a great performance by MSU.
 
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It was by their defense and particularly so since they realized early on that Ohio State was only playing with the running game (and a crippled one at that) part of the playbook.

Just so I'm understanding you correctly, you're calling it a great game by MSU's defense, even though you point out that MSU knew OSU was only playing with half its playbook and that part of the playbook was dependent on an injured Zeke?
 
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FILM STUDY: BREAKING DOWN THE NOTRE DAME RUNNING GAME

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Anchored by a stout offensive line, two talented running backs, and a dual-threat quarterback, the Notre Dame rushing offense must be bottled up for the Buckeye’s to emerge with a New Year’s Day victory.

After losing two games by a combined four points to College Football Playoff-bound Clemson and Rose Bowl-bound Stanford, the 10-2 Fighting Irish will likely present the Silver Bullets' run defense with their toughest challenge of the season.

A simple look in the mirror will provide the 2015 Buckeyes with a scouting report of the Irish run game, as both are built on spread-power principles, concepts, and plays. Both utilize a bell cow running back and designed quarterback runs to establish a strong run game early and often. While both teams eschew run-heavy personnel groupings, Ohio State head coach Urban Meyer and Notre Dame head coach Brian Kelly both want to win the line of scrimmage and run the ball down their opponent’s throat.

At last week’s Fiesta Bowl media day, Ohio State defensive coordinator Luke Fickell said of the Irish offense, “I would say, for us, this is one of the more similar games to what our offense does.”

Put on the film and the OSU run-game staples are all there: Inside zone, split zone, power, power read, and the counter trey.

The Irish run game has excelled under first-year offensive coordinator Mike Sanford, who came into the program with previous coaching stints at Yale, Western Kentucky, Stanford, and Boise State. Sanford flirted with the idea of joining the Ohio State staff after the 2014 season before Kelly came calling with an offensive coordinator position (Sanford completed his first season as offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach at Boise State in 2014). His name continues to be tied to vacant head coaching jobs this offseason.

The 33-year-old rising star oversaw a well-balanced Irish offense that averaged 214.8 rush yards per game, good for 25th in the nation. His work with backup redshirt freshman quarterback DeShone Kizer (2600 passing yards, 19 touchdown), who was thrust into the starting role due to Malik Zaire’s season-ending injury against Virginia, was particularly impressive. Sanford has achieved the near-impossible feat of convincing Brian Kelly to give up some of his play-calling duties (Kelly is well-known for calling his offense), a feat only achieved one other time in Kelly’s 24 years as a head coach.

Under Kelly and Sanford, Notre Dame’s running game starts in the trenches with the unit’s talented offensive line about which Meyer recently said “Offensively, I haven't studied them a lot yet but they have a very good offensive line. That's their strength.”

The line is anchored by 6-foot-6, 315-pound redshirt junior Ronnie Stanley, a likely first-round selection in the 2016 NFL draft. The left tackle demonstrates a tremendous understanding of blocking angles and excels at climbing to the second level to block linebackers.

Most offensive linemen that consistently create a push at the line of scrimmage have a great understanding of blocking angles. In response to the explosion of zone blocking schemes at the high school, college, and NFL level, defensive coordinators have integrated a variety of slants and stunts into their run defense, creating confusion in blocking assignments and stuffing the interior gaps.

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Offensive linemen must adjust to these slants and stunts on the fly, a difficult task for even the most-talented player. Watch how Stanley (#78) responds to the slanting 4-technique (aligned heads up over the tackle) on the counter trey.

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Entire article: http://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-...udy-breaking-down-the-notre-dame-running-game
 
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Urban Meyer Expects to Have Ed Warinner Upstairs for the Fiesta Bowl

Urban Meyer liked the results of having Ed Warinner upstairs in the press box for the Michigan game so much that he's planning on keeping him there for the Fiesta Bowl against Notre Dame.

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With Warinner upstairs, much of the coordination of the offensive line will once again fall to graduate assistant Jim Cordle, a former Buckeye offensive lineman himself. Decker, for one, is looking forward to it.

"I liked it. I thought Jim did an awesome job," he said of the Michigan experiment. "One, I like him as a person. He is just a good dude. Then obviously he has high level experience in football. I think the best quality he has is he stays really calm. If coaches get all worked up, get upset, then the players are going to get like that. The players are going to get pissed and stuff like that. Jim stays really calm on the sideline and he just kind of communicates what needs to be done. I think he did a great job."

What makes Cordle such a good fit on the sideline?

"First and foremost, he knows football. He has played the position that he is coaching right now. I think that is huge. There are little nuances where, if you didn’t play the position, you wouldn’t understand and you wouldn’t be able to get the point across of how to do things or what they even are. I think he is cool and calm, poised and I think that is the mark of a good coach."

With Warinner and Beck up in the booth and Cordle down on the sideline, the Buckeyes fully expect to be able to run tempo whenever they like. Even more than that, however, they will once again have both coordinators upstairs getting a fuller picture of what the defense is doing and be able to counter the Irish almost instantly because the communication process is instant as well.

It is still not known whether this can be a long-term solution for the Ohio State offense, but they will no doubt accept a short-term fix as long as it gets them one more win this season.

Entire article: http://theozone.net/Ohio-State/Foot...Have-Ed-Warinner-Upstairs-for-the-Fiesta-Bowl
 
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Just reading the analysis of MSU, that there were two great games and 7 mediocre ones......well, realistically, that could be the analysis of tOSU as well. If tOSU comes out like they did against Sparty, then we're sunk. However, if tOSU plays like they did against VaTech (revenge), and Meatchicken (the usual), then it could be closer than Meatchicken, but still the Domers will be 'handled'. Also hope the 'go-earlies' don't plan to not get hurt, and go out there hard. Of course, Urb and staff are in their ears all this time. Let them know they're showing off for paychecks at the next level, and being the best four win record in tOSU history. Quite a feat. Don't know if this will make the mind up for any recruits that are waffling between the two schools, nor those that are solidly in one or the other's camp. Urb & co established that tOSU is still the big dog in the Midwest at Michigan, and am looking forward to soundly putting the bite on the Domers as well. Go Buckeyes, and to all Buckeye Nation, have a great Christmas, New Year, and sober up for the Fiesta Bowl....Go Bucks!
 
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Just so I'm understanding you correctly, you're calling it a great game by MSU's defense, even though you point out that MSU knew OSU was only playing with half its playbook and that part of the playbook was dependent on an injured Zeke?

Well, they shut down what we did run, so yeah, they did a great job doing it. Meanwhile, we knew they were going to run the ball down our throats and they did with success as the defense wore down.
 
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I just got back from visiting my son's in laws. My wife and I went over there for a couple of hours for dessert. One of the uncles was over there (who I have met before) and for some reason this guy doesn't seem to like me even though I have said only a handful of words to him. Well my son's father in law come up to me and told this uncle (let's call him Joe, not his real name) that I went to Ohio State and I follow the Buckeyes, and then told me that Joe is a Notre Dame fan. I thought we would have a light heartened conversation about the game, but no he starts talking trash about Urban and that he doesn't like him...blah, blah, blah....

I reminded him didn't Urban used to coach at Notre Dame under Lou Holtz, and then proceeded to tell a story about meeting the coach in the Indianapolis airport trying to change the subject. Immediately after the story he states he used to like Ohio State when they had Tressel but not anymore as they hired that scum bag Urban, he hates OSU and Meyer and that he is doing the same crap that he did when he was at Florida. I asked him to remind me what crap he was talking about, since his time at UF and OSU do not to me look even remotely similar. He stated that Urban was a gaint scum bag and a liar and that was when my son walked up and tried to lighten the mood (because this guy was getting visibly angry) stated "so I hear Joe is discussing Notre Lame again, and how do you think your guys will do in the running game since Washington is not playing." He then went on a tirade that again Urban is the scum of the earth and we should be ashamed that we even root for a team that is coached by such a scumbag.
At that point I have had enough and asked him "so I understand your coach is the virtue and the standard bearer of all what is right with college football." He went on a tirade again against Meyer (again with no specifics) and at that point I look at my son and say "Scissor lift". While the other people in the room had no idea what i was talking about old loud mouth Joe certainly did since I didn't hear another peep out of him, just a cold dumb stare for the next hour.
While I admit I wanted to see OSU win on New Year's Day I wasn't looking for the blood crazed sacrifice ala Scum this year, but now screw this guy and every holier than thou Irish fan and their purple faced, profanity laced, devoid of any human compassion of a coach.
I hope we hang a hundred on them and as I reminded Joe as I left the room I knew Brian Kelly when we were both at Grand Valley State and he was an ass then and an even bigger ass now.....
 
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Well, actually that description is MSU exactly. Just so happened that their awful game was against a non-contender in Nebraska and OSU's awful game was against a contender in MSU. MSU was VERY VERY mediocre (more so than OSU) over the course of the season.
Can't really argue with that... but I will try a little.

The 2014 Buckeyes didn't look like world-beaters against Navy, lost the next week against VT, but then began to put it together offensively over the next 10 games. Defensively, it was a work in progress, and right up through Indiana and scUM, I don't think anyone was thinking that this was a national championship caliber team. I think we thought they had it in them, but most people were thinking 2015 was the year to make a run. Then adversity hit with a death and a broken leg, and this team comes out the next week looking like a supreme football team. They grew and grew together.

I'm with you on Sparty. I thought they were pretty unimpressive the entire year leading up to the OSU game, but they won their games (sans Nebraska), and beat our guys with their #2 and 3 QBs - and I didn't think that was possible this year. But Dantonio and the Lord God conspired against us. Dantonio was able to control our offense with the help of hurricane force winds, and the Ohio State coaching staff helped shut down our passing game by choosing... to not pass - and shut down EE by choosing... to not give him the ball. But regardless, Sparty played well enough to win, and that's all you have to do. (I do think in better weather, Ohio State wins that game 8-9x/10).

The second thing is that the Tressel-ball approach is designed to win games ugly and unimpressively if necessary. It's not opposed to getting some explosive plays and scoring high, but if that doesn't happen, they are happy to put the onus on their defense, control the clock, punt a lot, and win by a FG. 12-1 is the only impressive thing about Sparty - and there are some quality wins in those 12. How that sausage was made wasn't very pretty, but it's not designed to be with how they play the game.

On another note, I'm a little disappointed in the weather in Phoenix. Looks like temps will be in the 50's-60's and lows in the 30s - basically what we have been having here. So, take your jackets fellow travelers. Maybe Obama could stop fighting global warming for a week so that I can wear shorts and a T shirt while in Arizona.
 
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