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'What lion?' Zimbabweans ask, amid global Cecil circus
http://news.yahoo.com/lion-zimbabweans-ask-amid-global-cecil-circus-140822692.html

As social media exploded with outrage this week at the killing of Cecil the lion, the untimely passing of the celebrated predator at the hands of an American dentist went largely unnoticed in the animal's native Zimbabwe.
"What lion?" acting information minister Prisca Mupfumira asked in response to a request for comment about Cecil, who was at that moment topping global news bulletins and generating reams of abuse for his killer on websites in the United States and Europe.

The government has still given no formal response, and on Thursday the papers that chose to run the latest twist in the Cecil saga tucked it away on inside pages.

One title had to rely on foreign news agency copy because it failed to send a reporter to the court appearance of two locals involved.
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For most people in the southern African nation, where unemployment tops 80 percent and the economy continues to feel the after-effects of billion percent hyperinflation a decade ago, the uproar had all the hallmarks of a 'First World Problem'.

"Are you saying that all this noise is about a dead lion? Lions are killed all the time in this country," said Tryphina Kaseke, a used-clothes hawker on the streets of Harare. "What is so special about this one?"

As with many countries in Africa, in Zimbabwe big wild animals such as lions, elephants or hippos are seen either as a potential meal, or a threat to people and property that needs to be controlled or killed.
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"Why are the Americans more concerned than us?" said Joseph Mabuwa, a 33-year-old father-of-two cleaning his car in the center of the capital. "We never hear them speak out when villagers are killed by lions and elephants in Hwange."
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BIATCHabutuka said:
I don't know that using the scent of a dead animal is enough to say that they lured this animal out of his preserve.
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i gotta think your trolling here but... what exactly do you think they were using the dead animal for...?

I would need to see that they were at the border trying to lure an animal out of the preserve.
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so the only way you could possibly believe guilt in this case is if there were video evidence of the activities in the middle of africa just outside of a game reserve? guess the regional gov should just drop the case until they get 24/7 satellite coverage of the area. on a side note, have you ever considered a potentially lucrative career as a defense lawyer plant on juries?

To bring this dentist into the liability mix, I would need to see that he was part of the luring process or at least aware of it. If the company lured the animal out without his knowledge and then he kills it on private land as part of a licensed hunt, then I don't see where he is wrong.
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just curious, but where do you think the good dr was during all of this? the lion, like many in game reserves, ignore vehicles as if they are simply part of the landscape. someone involved in the hunt strapped a hunk of meat onto a vehicle. waited until a lion caught a whiff and showed up to investigate. once they found an interested (and appealing enough) lion they then drove away from the lion luring it with said meat away from the preserve. once they felt they were safely far enough from the reserve the good dr shot the lion with an arrow. likely having never left the jeep. this is of course what has been alleged anyway.

assuming this is the way it went down the only way this "hunt" could have been less sporting would have been to have it at the columbus zoo...

I don't buy that he should have seen the collar and not shot. I can see where the collar would be hidden by the black mane.
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agreed, the collar is really a moot point here. there are so many things that are already wrong in what has been alleged its really rather sad.

don't get me wrong, ive done my fair share of hunting. while i still support hunting to a signficant degree, my reasoning revolves around population control. i can't think of any valid reason to kill an apex predator. this type of activity, imo, absolutely destroys ecosystems. lets look at just the fallout of killing this "single" lion beyond the legal fallout. this was the dominant pride male. that means this is the only male lion that was likely mating with the females in the pride. when you kill a dominant pride male it isn't just that lion that dies. When a dominant pride male is lost the pride is almost always taken over by an outside loaner male (or coalition of males). when this occures the new male(s) kill ALL of the juvenilles and cubs who are not old enough to leave the pride and survive on their own. so not only did the good dr kill "a" lion, he also doomed every juvenille and cub to death. it will take the pride at least three years minimum to recover from his actions.

based on this alone i have to assume the good dr knows very little about lions as an animal, their society or their place in the eco system. i have a hard time believing he has any respect for the animal at all. he seems to be the type of weapon owner/hunter that gives the rest a bad name.

further, i often hear hunters speak about helping mother nature via natural selection. this is fairly laughable at best. when was the last time a hunter purposely bypassed the strongest, most physically fit and impressive in appearance to kill an old and lame animal that is already on the verge of death? what we do when we hunt is actually the exact opposite of what naure intends. we promote the survival and propogation of the weak and unfit by killing the predators that would otherwise kill them. then we remove the strongest as trophies.

oh and you are aware there was no license permitting the killing of any lions obtained by anyone involved in this hunt correct?
 
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jlb1705 said:
My birthday present when I turned fourteen was a shotgun and enrollment in a gun safety course so I could hunt with my cousin and uncle. The course was at WPAFB and taught by a neighbor that I knew from outside of the class - a bigtime sportsman, a self-described "gun-nut" and "redneck". One of the things he told the class pretty much from the start was that if he didn't plan to eat the meat from the animal, he took a camera instead of a gun. That stuck with me in a big way. In my view, hunters also have responsibilities as conservationists. Most of the hunters that I know are also the best stewards of wildlife that I know. This guy seems like the opposite of that.
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Yup, grew up as the game warden's kid so hunting / outdoors stuff was just something that I took for granted. Didn't do it much, not really my bag... But have a lot of family friends who did. One in particular used to talk about being in tree stands in northern mitten state. He always talked about having either his gun or bow and a canon. 35mm canon that is. It got way more action than the guns or bows. Always respected that man on multiple levels. That was just one of them.
 
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scooter1369 said:
A lion that not one god damn person in Zimbabwe cared about.
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Further Zimbabwean op ed on the subject:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/05/opinion/in-zimbabwe-we-dont-cry-for-lions.html?ref=opinion&_r=1

In Zimbabwe, We Don’t Cry for Lions
By GOODWELL NZOUAUG. 4, 2015

Winston-Salem, N.C. — MY mind was absorbed by the biochemistry of gene editing when the text messages and Facebook posts distracted me.

So sorry about Cecil.

Did Cecil live near your place in Zimbabwe?

Cecil who? I wondered. When I turned on the news and discovered that the messages were about a lion killed by an American dentist, the village boy inside me instinctively cheered: One lion fewer to menace families like mine.

My excitement was doused when I realized that the lion killer was being painted as the villain. I faced the starkest cultural contradiction I’d experienced during my five years studying in the United States.
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*All view in the op-ed are those of the Author alone and do not necessarily reflect the views of AKAK, or presumably the NY Times, who, to my mild suprise, actually printed this.
 
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