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[FrancisSoyer]

Have you watched this season's B1G teams?

Herbstreit is absolutely right. Talent level in the Big Ten this season is as low as I ever remember. Speed being one of the things lacking. Example: I don't think Christian Bryant could beat any starting DB in the entire SEC in a foot race.

Not pissed about calling the B1G out because they obviously deserve it. But what does OSU/Florida game from '06 have to do with this? We didn't lose because of speed, we lost because Florida went to the stadium to destroy worlds and OSU went to get the trophy and have a vacation. That and Florida's d-line was a nightmare for any offensive line in the country. Herbie just won't let the SEC SPEEED! cliche go and it makes me dislike him even more. Analyst my ass.

 

[MaxBuck]

Not [censored]ed about calling the B1G out because they obviously deserve it. But what does OSU/Florida game from '06 have to do with this? We didn't lose because of speed, we lost because Florida went to the stadium to destroy worlds and OSU went to get the trophy and have a vacation. That and Florida's d-line was a nightmare for any offensive line in the country. Herbie just won't let the SEC SPEEED! cliche go and it makes me dislike him even more. Analyst my ass.

Florida's speed along the D-line and at linebacker was a huge factor in that 2006 debacle, even though we had 2-3 of the fastest players on the field in the skill positions (and the very fastest in TGJr). And the fact that "SEC speed" is a cliche doesn't make it incorrect. Though from what I've seen, there's plenty of speed on display in the Big Twelve (or however many of them there are at present) -- it may be a faster league than the SEC.

 

[FrancisSoyer]

Florida's speed along the D-line and at linebacker was a huge factor in that 2006 debacle, even though we had 2-3 of the fastest players on the field in the skill positions (and the very fastest in TGJr). And the fact that "SEC speed" is a cliche doesn't make it incorrect. Though from what I've seen, there's plenty of speed on display in the Big Twelve (or however many of them there are at present) -- it may be a faster league than the SEC.

I could accept it if Herbie wouldn't just repeat the speed cliche without mentioning how Florida was just vicious in that game. Plus they had the disrespect card in pocket so they were very motivated to put the boots to us. It wasn't just speed that did us in but you wouldn't know that listening to Herbie.

 

[BuckJr]

I could accept it if Herbie wouldn't just repeat the speed cliche without mentioning how Florida was just vicious in that game. Plus they had the disrespect card in pocket so they were very motivated to put the boots to us. It wasn't just speed that did us in but you wouldn't know that listening to Herbie.

He wasnt wrong, overall Florida was much faster. Arguing about it is useless, SEC has 6 soon to be 7 straight NCs.

Anyway the Big10 is so low in talent level this year they deserve the criticsm. The league sucks ass.

 

[Buckeyevsworld]

He wasnt wrong, overall Florida was much faster. Arguing about it is useless, SEC has 6 soon to be 7 straight NCs.

Anyway the Big10 is so low in talent level this year they deserve the criticsm. The league sucks ass.

The problem with that is they act as if every team in the SEC is dominant. They act as if Vandy Kentucky or Ole Miss are at the same level as Bama.

 

[FrancisSoyer]

He wasnt wrong, overall Florida was much faster. Arguing about it is useless, SEC has 6 soon to be 7 straight NCs.

Anyway the Big10 is so low in talent level this year they deserve the criticsm. The league sucks ass.

Not wrong but a true analyst wouldn't attribute our blowout loss to speed and only speed. Plenty more to the story unless you work for ESPN.

 

[jwinslow]

Have you watched thia season's B1G teams?

I am confused. why would I:
A) watch film and analyze it
B) bring up things that are happening now when I can reference things from seven years ago?

Uttering eMpty, generic cliches that are interchangeable from every single broadcast over a decade has made Herbie a multi millionaire.

Herbstreit is absolutely right.

No he is well spoken cliche machine.

When ArKansas got humiliated on a weekend that showed a very weak other 10 in the sec, what did he say?

Did he talk about their struggles? Criticize them? Nope he gushed about what a well coached program the upset minded mid major was.

In fact the entire set of highlights only mentioned very briefly... While heading to commercial... That the sec had a tougher day than expected. No mention of buffalo running all over Georgia. No harsh criticism. Unless you watched the score at the bottom you would have no clue that bowling freaking green dominated the game in the swamp.

Talent level in the Big Ten this season is as low as I ever remember. Speed being one of the things lacking. Example: I don't think Christian Bryant could beat any starting DB in the entire SEC in a foot race.

Why don't you stop talking for a while? Ron Burgundy: Yeah, sit the next couple plays out

That would be a pretty stupid bet. Bryant's problem isn't speed.

 

[FrancisSoyer]

And if those teams dominate us because they get kids from Texas, Cali, Florida, etc why is it that we own Notre Dame, who gets a shiat load of kids from Texas, Cali, Florida, etc?

 

[Mike80]

And if those teams dominate us because they get kids from Texas, Cali, Florida, etc why is it that we own Notre Dame, who gets a shiat load of kids from Texas, Cali, Florida, etc?

There is a difference between being fast and playing fast.

If physical speed was all it was about, Usain Bolt would be in the NFL.

However, PLAYING fast, knowing where you are going and what you'll do when you get there is the key to this and why, instead of pure physical speed, the SEC is lightyears ahead of everyone else.

And that comes down to coaching. Every time.

 

[Steve19]

Kirk Herbstreit is so far up the arses of ESPiN management that one can no longer see the soles of his shoes. I don't listen to a thing he says.

 

[MaxBuck]

I am confused. why would I:
A) watch film and analyze it
B) bring up things that are happening now when I can reference things from seven years ago?

Uttering eMpty, generic cliches that are interchangeable from every single broadcast over a decade has made Herbie a multi millionaire.

No he is well spoken cliche machine. ...

Why don't you stop talking for a while? Ron Burgundy: Yeah, sit the next couple plays out

That would be a pretty stupid bet. Bryant's problem isn't speed.

Your calling someone else a cliche machine is pretty ironic, given that you yourself jump onto the "Herbie is a tool" cliche at every opportunity. And your continuous intolerance of someone else's opinions that don't completely coincide with yours, and consequent insulting remarks, are absolutely inconsistent with being a "moderator." Pretty immoderate.

Bryant has problems other than his speed, like bonehead penalties at inopportune times, but he isn't fast enough to play starting safety on an elite team. That's my opinion.

 

[ysubuck]

Anyone look at the most recent Sports Illustrated?

They had a pretty interesting section on the speed in college football.

The took the NFL combine 40 times over the last 5 years which came out to be over 1000 players.

Anyway, based on the averages of those times the SEC is faster than the Big 10 at skill positions with a difference of 4.6071 versus 4.6189 for the Big 10.

The Big 10 was actually tops in the D line category with an average time of 4.9217 while the SEC was DEAD LAST with an average time of 5.0050.

The point is that the differences in these times is really negligible. Like the above poster said, if you play fast then you are fast.

It's just laziness on the part of Derpstriet and the other heads when they trot out the SEC speed argument. The SEC is just like every other big conference. They have their good teams and their junk teams. The other conferences just don't have the world wide leader to pimp them morning, noon and night.

EDIT By the way, the good teams in the SEC are REALLY good this year. I was kind of down on Bama for awhile, but they might just be the juggernaut that they were made out to be. Just waiting for the ESPN round table on whether or not Bama would beat the Browns.

 

[MaxBuck]

After Bama and LSU, the SEC teams this year really are nothing special. The problem is, "nothing special" beats the majority of the B1G this year.

I'm pretty impressed with what I've seen from Big XII(minus II) this year. Okie, TCU, K-State are all really good, and Tejas is coming on.

It's an interesting year in college football. And so long as you aren't looking for great insights from everyone (and College Gameday is kind of like the sports version of Laugh-In IMO), there's great coverage on several networks. I've become a big fan of ESPNU, where you find a lot of good coverage of teams and players I wouldn't otherwise know anything about.

 

[BuckJr]

After Bama and LSU, the SEC teams this year really are nothing special. The problem is, "nothing special" beats the majority of the B1G this year.

I'm pretty impressed with what I've seen from Big XII(minus II) this year. Okie, TCU, K-State are all really good, and Tejas is coming on.

It's an interesting year in college football. And so long as you aren't looking for great insights from everyone (and College Gameday is kind of like the sports version of Laugh-In IMO), there's great coverage on several networks. I've become a big fan of ESPNU, where you find a lot of good coverage of teams and players I wouldn't otherwise know anything about.

I actually think Bama, LSU, South Carolina, and UGA are all BCS-bowl caliber teams. After that they have a few decent teams in UTenn, Florida. The rest are a big ? mark.

 

[jwinslow]

I'm shocked that you've missed the point. Herbie is neither wrong or right, he isn't actually analyzing anything. He's putting out FoxNews level nonsense.

The B1G is quite bad. He said the exact same thing back in Jan 07 when the B1G went 2-1 against the SEC in the bowl games, including bottling up Felix Jones & Darren McFadden who ran wild on the SEC all year.

He's played to play a role and he does a great job of it.

Your calling someone else a cliche machine is pretty ironic, given that you yourself jump onto the "Herbie is a tool" cliche at every opportunity.

I see. It's my fault that he offers up empty cliches rather than analysis and that I call him on it, particularly when someone sings the praises of how "right" he is.

And your continuous intolerance of someone else's opinions that don't completely coincide with yours, and consequent insulting remarks, are absolutely inconsistent with being a "moderator." Pretty immoderate.

Says the person who is known almost exclusively for being a contrarian.

But thanks for telling me how to do my job. Clearly I'm being overpaid at my volunteer job.

Bryant has problems other than his speed, like bonehead penalties at inopportune times, but he isn't fast enough to play starting safety on an elite team. That's my opinion.

Bryant has chased down a number of plays this year. Your hyperbole was ridiculous.

Bryant consistently takes bad angles which you're confusing with bad speed. Even worse, he goes for kill shots when he takes proper angles, on top of his other frequent missed tackles in the open field when he tries to wrap up.