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Ed "LL" Warinner (Run Game Coordinator FAU)

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Buckeyefrankmp said:
Blame has to be spread around for last night's game. The offensive line has to be in the discussion. What made Cardale so good in that post season run? One thing was the offensive line. I watched part of those games just recently and he seemed to have all the time in the world back in the pocket. He was not pressured like JT was last night.
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Absolutely, but even when there was phenomenal protection JT held onto the ball between 6 and 8 seconds. That can't happen. The OL actually played well for the most part until Clemson saw we were passing short every down and pinned their ears back. He even said he knew 2.7 seconds was the magic number but he looked like the same hesitant JT we've seen most of the year. His psyche and mechanics look damaged at this point.
 
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SEREbuckeye said:
A move from the entire line to just the TEs is a demotion. He doesn't warrant that at all.

Zach Smith has been solid. One bad year of young WR play doesn't deserve a firing either.

Also, the OL coach needs to be separated from OC duties. The line coach needs to be on the field, not up in the open. Hence the need for Studwara.
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Our right tackle was ranked 179 out of 179. He was literally the worst right tackle in college football, despite being a tremendous talent. I'm not sold on Stud AT ALL.
 
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lvbuckeye said:
Our right tackle was ranked 179 out of 179. He was literally the worst right tackle in college football, despite being a tremendous talent. I'm not sold on Stud AT ALL.
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I think schemes had as much to do with the OL play this year as anything else. The OL's during Tressel's tenure were often bad because of the predictability of the offense. The 2012 OL was much the same as the awful unit from 2011, but suddenLy they were playing in a different scheme and looked like a different unit. The past two years, we slipped back into predictable schemes/playcalling and the OL play has suffered. Defenses can pin their ears back and go nuts when the opposing defense knows what's coming most of the time.
 
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NFBuck said:
I think schemes had as much to do with the OL play this year as anything else. The OL's during Tressel's tenure were often bad because of the predictability of the offense. The 2012 OL was much the same as the awful unit from 2011, but suddenLy they were playing in a different scheme and looked like a different unit. The past two years, we slipped back into predictable schemes/playcalling and the OL play has suffered. Defenses can pin their ears back and go nuts when the opposing defense knows what's coming most of the time.
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Teams have been putting 11 guys in the box, blitzing the hell out of us, and daring us the throw the ball. Fucking Indiana and Northwestern did this and had success stopping our offense this year.

To combat a loaded box, we went five wide to spread teams out and ran QB draws all year (this wasn't an option against Clemson's superior DTs). It was the only thing we kinda had consistent success with.

We also tried running option on the edge, which hardly ever worked since the LBs and safeties were crashing into the backfield without a single worry about anything getting behind them. That is also why the quick throws in the flats never worked.

Defenses were begging us to throw it. And I'm not talking about 20 yards down field. To repeat myself, a 10 yard pot pass to the TE, a quick slant to the slot receiver, a quick route to the RB out of the backfield... but vertically in the middle of the field, not sideline to sideline.

Everything was east and west when the middle of the field was begging for us to take some shots--- something, anything to get the LBs thinking about something other than attacking downhill into OSU's backfield on every play... for the entire season.

We didn't even attempt any of these plays. Can JT not make the throws? Can the WRs not run the routes? Are the coaches incompetent to recognize an obvious counter to what defenses were doing all season?

It's been said a million times, but bringing new coaches in will be a solution to all three of those questions if they can 1) unbreak JT and have him making decisions with confidence again 2) unbreak the WRs who apparently can't run slant patterns consistently 3) call plays that make sense and exploit weaknesses in what defenses are doing.

Taking away the great run at the end- how the fuck hard would it have been to run something like this.

 
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Buckeye86 said:
Teams have been putting 11 guys in the box, blitzing the hell out of us, and daring us the throw the ball. Fucking Indiana and Northwestern did this and had success stopping our offense this year.

To combat a loaded box, we went five wide to spread teams out and ran QB draws all year (this wasn't an option against Clemson's superior DTs). It was the only thing we kinda had consistent success with.
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No, they didn't. They usually stayed with running personnel (2 RB 1 TE 2 WR) and then went 5 wide. :shake:

Hopefully the next staff (and deeper WR corps) will demand that Hill, Grimes, Lindsey, McLaurin fill out those #3-5 WR spots. If you want to keep a TE in to help, that's fine, just stop using so many non WRs at once. I like the concept if it's a well oiled machine (and the RB is a good outlet) but when it's struggling, it just compounds the issues.
Defenses were begging us to throw it. And I'm not talking about 20 yards down field. To repeat myself, a 10 yard pot pass to the TE, a quick slant to the slot receiver, a quick route to the RB out of the backfield... but vertically in the middle of the field, not sideline to sideline.

We didn't even attempt any of these plays. Can JT not make the throws? Can the WRs not run the routes? Are the coaches incompetent to recognize an obvious counter to what defenses were doing all season?
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I think they tried a handful of those vs Clemson, had a minimum of 5-7 first downs being thrown, only to have them all knocked down at the line. That said, the next time JT throws early without a long stare down will be the first in ages. (no, I don't count the times against bad defenses, though that has even lessened)
It's been said a million times, but bringing new coaches in will be a solution to all three of those questions if they can 1) unbreak JT and have him making decisions with confidence again 2) unbreak the WRs who apparently can't run slant patterns consistently 3) call plays that make sense and exploit weaknesses in what defenses are doing.
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Agreed.
 
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jwinslow said:
No, they didn't. They usually stayed with running personnel (2 RB 1 TE 2 WR) and then went 5 wide. :shake:
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Yeah, Mike Weber split out wide was such a productive use of him. I guess the idea was to motion him into the backfield for a power run against a defense with 5-wide personnel on the field? Except we never did that, so what exactly was the point of splitting Weber out wide again?
 
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Buckeye86 said:
Yeah, Mike Weber split out wide was such a productive use of him. I guess the idea was to motion him into the backfield for a power run against a defense with 5-wide personnel on the field? Except we never did that, so what exactly was the point of splitting Weber out wide again?
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It works when it's Elliott, who can really hurt you on short dropoffs into the flat. He's also a wicked blocker on the perimeter (or anywhere).

I'd really like to see Hill, McCall used in those spots instead. They can make guys miss on those woefully short dumpoffs, but can also really hurt the defense downfield, on crossing routes or intermediate passes. Good luck covering those guys with a LB (or a Peppers).
 
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jwinslow said:
It works when it's Elliott, who can really hurt you on short dropoffs into the flat. He's also a wicked blocker on the perimeter (or anywhere).

I'd really like to see Hill, McCall used in those spots instead. They can make guys miss on those woefully short dumpoffs, but can also really hurt the defense downfield, on crossing routes or intermediate passes. Good luck covering those guys with a LB (or a Peppers).
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McCall would have been better in the pass game. Like maybe a wheel route. TOSU has a limited route tree..
 
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I think the idea of splitting Weber, albeit a poor one, was to not sub so the defense couldn't sub and we could try to leverage vs their base Defense instead of a Nickle, but the problem was we NEVER went fast. It was the check with me BS and then choke and call a QB draw because the play clock is now at 10 secs.
 
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