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Ed "LL" Warinner (Run Game Coordinator FAU)

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OhioState001 said:
Everyone was praising Warinner as one of our top assistant coaches last year and now all of a sudden people want him gone? Quite an overreaction
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I remember Warinner getting praised from 2012-2014 as an OLine coach but not last year as an OC. The OSU offense vastly under-performed their talent level last year. There were all kinds of communication issues that forced Warinner up the booth to try and correct them. Things seemed to get better the last 2 games of last year and the first few of this year. But the fact remains, the offense isn't nearly as dynamic as it was under Herman. The play calling is predictable and often times doesn't get the ball into the teams best players hands. Warinner deserves criticism for this. (And Beck for his part in the play calling)
 
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Systems_id said:
Statistically this ground game is about where it was last year...and we don't have Zeke. With a veteran offensive line last year we couldn't block the likes of Hawaii, Northern Illinois, and Western Michigan. We also got abused by Va Tech in 2014 with a slightly older offensive line and Navy the first game. Got abused by Penn State that year too. I'm not seeing a massive difference in Stud and Warriner to be honest. You could honestly make a case for Stud being better considering this is the youngest line we've had since Meyer's been here and the competition we've faced up to this point is far better.
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Hey I'm good with stud... I personally like the idea of Warriner focusing as strictly an OL coach but mainly because of winning it all when we had him in that capacity
 
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TexasBuck said:
I remember Warinner getting praised from 2012-2014 as an OLine coach but not last year as an OC. The OSU offense vastly under-performed their talent level last year. There were all kinds of communication issues that forced Warinner up the booth to try and correct them. Things seemed to get better the last 2 games of last year and the first few of this year. But the fact remains, the offense isn't nearly as dynamic as it was under Herman. The play calling is predictable and often times doesn't get the ball into the teams best players hands. Warinner deserves criticism for this. (And Beck for his part in the play calling)
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After the MSU game he got the offense corrected for TTUN and ND, he was being praised.
 
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SEREbuckeye said:
(Not sure if serious about Fick)

Again, I think the best course of action right now is for Urban to start finding Ed a small time HC gig as well as a home for Beck. Then he would be able to bring in an actual QB coach that can also run play callin duties. This would help with the maturation of JT, Joe B, and others. It would also allow the new coach to groom Stud into a future OC.
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Sarcastic regarding Fick. My point was that fans are quick to use "fire" as a solution. If we would've fired Fickell like so many wanted years ago, we may not have had an NC or a defense as the strong point of the team.
All the scenarios you're stating sound good on paper, but just firing a coach or 2 doesn't necessarily solve a solution. Whenever the team doesn't perform to a fans standards, they scream for someone to be fired, happens every year. Herman was once wanted fired by fans as well... So was Tressell...

OhioState001 said:
Everyone was praising Warinner as one of our top assistant coaches last year and now all of a sudden people want him gone? Quite an overreaction
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Exactly!
 
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TexasBuck said:
I remember Warinner getting praised from 2012-2014 as an OLine coach but not last year as an OC. The OSU offense vastly under-performed their talent level last year. There were all kinds of communication issues that forced Warinner up the booth to try and correct them. Things seemed to get better the last 2 games of last year and the first few of this year. But the fact remains, the offense isn't nearly as dynamic as it was under Herman. The play calling is predictable and often times doesn't get the ball into the teams best players hands. Warinner deserves criticism for this. (And Beck for his part in the play calling)
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The biggest problem by far last year was the complacency that the team had last year! Urban knew that going into the year, and the first unanimous preseason #1 hyped the egos of that team to a large degree! You could tell from almost every press conference before the season that Urban worried about the kids reading their own press clippings and getting big headed, and it happened. It just happened that we were worlds better than almost every team we played, except MSU who game planned perfectly. Beck not giving Zeke the ball was due to Zeke being extrmely I'll all week. Cardale was a terrible fit for the offense last season, and that was obvious, no one had a problem with our flawed and vanilla play calling last year when we were winning, but doom and gloom comes when a loss happens, and fans want to clean house. Smh
 
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bukIpower said:
Not hard to correct the issue last november. It was simple you hand it off to the best running back in the world.

Even against scum and ND we looked discombobulated in our throw game.
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We aren't as talented as we were last year. What do you want Warinner to do when the o-line can't block and the best receivers on the team are H-backs? The fact that we put up over 400 yards despite that is quite an accomplishment
 
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OhioState001 said:
We aren't as talented as we were last year. What do you want Warinner to do when the o-line can't block and the best receivers on the team are H-backs? The fact that we put up over 400 yards despite that is quite an accomplishment
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They need to treat these WRS like running backs... forget having JT read the defense you start running plays that get the receivers the ball and allow them to do what I think they're best at which is try to make a move and pick up an extra 10 yards like a running back would do.
 
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pnuts34 said:
The biggest problem by far last year was the complacency that the team had last year! Urban knew that going into the year, and the first unanimous preseason #1 hyped the egos of that team to a large degree! You could tell from almost every press conference before the season that Urban worried about the kids reading their own press clippings and getting big headed, and it happened. It just happened that we were worlds better than almost every team we played, except MSU who game planned perfectly. Beck not giving Zeke the ball was due to Zeke being extrmely I'll all week. Cardale was a terrible fit for the offense last season, and that was obvious, no one had a problem with our flawed and vanilla play calling last year when we were winning, but doom and gloom comes when a loss happens, and fans want to clean house. Smh
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I agree that complacency was a big issue last year. But fans were up in arms about the offense last year too. The non-conference games were down right painful to watch, other than the 2nd half against VTech. The Indiana game was miserable, save a few big runs by Zeke. Minnesota largely shut our offense down. The consensus was Warinner had too much on his plate and that's why the offense suffered. Urban seemed to agree and switched the staff around. However, we aren't seeing any improvement. I get it that team is young, but they should be getting better. I'm not seeing that.

I'm not calling for a total house cleaning but I am saying the staff could use a young innovative mind somewhere on the offensive side of the ball.
 
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My main fault of Warriner last night.. is not his play calling
it's that he did not adjust to having his OL getting their ass kicked
yet not using his TE to stay in and block

yes Baugh made a couple good plays...
but the TEs screwed up more than they helped last night
keeping them in.. vs missing blocks on the outside might have helped
 
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Not only that but even with the lead and even when we knew we couldn't protect JT we still dropped him back too much.

In every other ugly game we've played since UFM has been here we pound the rock and leave with a victory. This time instead of running JT to victory we decided we needed to throw the ball 40+ times.

Whatever the media brings up as a weakness such as touches for JT being too much, not enough touches for Weber or Samuel or in this case being asked about out passing game we then go out and lambast the issue that's brought up. I mean how dumb is that?

Hey what's up with the pass game and what happened to Mike Weber not getting the ball? That's their bat signal for let's throw it 40 times and give Weber 29 touches. All the while ignoring our best RB and a QB who's great with the designed QB runs.

They have zero concept, rhyme, or plan when It comes to just worrying about putting stress on a defense no matter who or what.

As JT said he doesn't want to hear about people's touches. He wants the offense as a whole to move forward and to put pressure on a defense.
 
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Bestbuck36 said:
Short passing, screens and draws stop all of that pressure.

Warriner should be on the sideline with his Oline but the guy in the pressbox needs babysitting. Thats a losing situation.
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Warriner isn't the Oline coach anymore.. he's TE coach... Studs is the Oline coach and is on the field.
 
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We rarely if ever throw a screen anymore

Play action helps receivers and the oline tremendously. We rarely go play action especially on first down now.

First down is almost always Weber left just like it was Zeke left last year when our play calling sucked ass.

Go back and watch ND, ttun, and OU games. First down was play action almost all night. Not any more for some reason.
 
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