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Duke Blue Devils (that rat faced scumbag)

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MaxBuck;1825586; said:
Kyrie Eleison is Greek for "Lord have mercy." Irving right now appears to have no mercy for the Spartans, however. :wink2:
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If his middle name wasn't Andrew I'd even consider they named him after that expression. My money is still on the cheesy 80s song. :biggrin:
 
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Since there has been so little discussion about this topic and all the calls that Duke gets :roll2: (about the little discussion, not the calls)

There seems to be little common ground about whether or not Duke gets an inordinant amount of calls, lovers can't see it, and anybody else is just called a hater (most are probably, me included) I do find it interesting that those who don't think Duke gets a ton of calls think the 90% who think they do are just haters. It is like the football player who goes one way when the other 10 go the other, everywhere but scUM, the one was wrong, not the 10.

I wasn't always a hater, I love how hard Duke plays, I love Coach K's passion, and I don't blame him for trying to get an advantage, any coach who wouldn't is an idiot. I just can't look the other way when another talented team, playing Duke, who deserve a fair shot, gets jobbed by the refs.

I cannot give any specific examples of this homerism (neutral courts, and lesser name opponents as well :tongue2:) and I guess that proves me wrong. But I bet if you would chart Duke games, and looked at block/charge situations for example, that Duke gets more than their fair share of what nearly everyone could consider toss-up calls. If I had the time, and the ability to watch Duke games without tearing my eyeballs from my head, or having an anuerism, or bleeding from my ears if Dukie V is doing the games, I would chart them. Alas, since I can't, I'll settle for being a Duke hater who falsely thinks they get more calls than they should.
 
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What's missing in that other thread is a discussion of why Duke may or may not get more calls. The "Duke flop" has been extremely well-documented with video clips, where Duke players will fall down, untouched, when an opposing player is beating them on a drive. My belief is that Duke does get a disproportionate number of calls, and that it's part of their game plan. They are coached to act like they've been fouled, whether they have or not, and Coach K works the refs hard in an effort to sway doubt to his team's direction.

What I don't think is going on is that there's a bias towards Duke because they're "loved" or a "money maker", or because Cameron Indoor is sooooo "crazy", or because Coach K can more creatively question a ref's parentage or any of that. Duke gets calls on neutral sites and on the road, and does it with refs from every conference. I think it's due to coached tactics that they employ. K is a smart guy. He knows that a large number of basketball games in a tough conference and in a tournament will be decided by two possessions or less. Literally a handful of foul calls going his way over the course of the season can decide the difference between being just another sweet 16 team and being Final Four, and I think he coaches accordingly.

"Umm....ummm.... Look! There's that Matta guy kicking a Michigan fan's dog!" /dukefan
 
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BrutusBobcat;1827214; said:
What's missing in that other thread is a discussion of why Duke may or may not get more calls. The "Duke flop" has been extremely well-documented with video clips, where Duke players will fall down, untouched, when an opposing player is beating them on a drive. My belief is that Duke does get a disproportionate number of calls, and that it's part of their game plan. They are coached to act like they've been fouled, whether they have or not, and Coach K works the refs hard in an effort to sway doubt to his team's direction.

What I don't think is going on is that there's a bias towards Duke because they're "loved" or a "money maker", or because Cameron Indoor is sooooo "crazy", or because Coach K can more creatively question a ref's parentage or any of that. Duke gets calls on neutral sites and on the road, and does it with refs from every conference. I think it's due to coached tactics that they employ. K is a smart guy. He knows that a large number of basketball games in a tough conference and in a tournament will be decided by two possessions or less. Literally a handful of foul calls going his way over the course of the season can decide the difference between being just another sweet 16 team and being Final Four, and I think he coaches accordingly.

"Umm....ummm.... Look! There's that Matta guy kicking a Michigan fan's dog!" /dukefan
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Haterz gonna Hate :biggrin:

I agree, coach K is a great coach and very intelligent. His players play hard and smart. Year in and year out Duke is as talented as just about any team in the country. They don't need the refs help to win most of their games, but they get the help anyway.

On the other note, are you sure it was a dog he was kicking, or was it maybe one of the coaches significant other :tongue2:
 
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GrizzlyBuck;1827228; said:
On the other note, are you sure it was a dog he was kicking, or was it maybe one of the coaches significant other :tongue2:
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I suspect it may have actually been a cheerleader, but I don't think it's appropriate to spread unfounded rumors about OSU's coaches on BP. :tongue2:
 
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When you're known for playing defense a certain way you get the questionable calls. Back when Huggins was the coach at UC his teams pressed all game. That was their reputation that they were going to come at you all game and they got away with a lot of fouls due to being known for applying so much pressure on teams all game.
 
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Here's another reason to hate Duke.

Puke beats Butler by 12 whopping points (mind you they were tied at the half) and the headline reads, "Duke rips Butler". 12 points in soccer or hockey is a ripping...not in basketball.

We beat FSU by 14 and the headline reads, "OSU gets by Seminoles..."
 
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Cornerback6;1828167; said:
Here's another reason to hate Duke.

Puke beats Butler by 12 whopping points (mind you they were tied at the half) and the headline reads, "Duke rips Butler". 12 points in soccer or hockey is a ripping...not in basketball.

We beat FSU by 14 and the headline reads, "OSU gets by Seminoles..."
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And that's Duke's fault how??
 
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OSUBucks22;1828318; said:
And that's Duke's fault how??
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I agree that it is not Duke's fault. It is however another reason of why so many people hate them. I know they have been ultra-successful, but eSpin and the networks slobber over them, I don't know about you, but when someone I don't respect much (eSpin for example) tells me to love something, it tends to have the opposite effect, i.e. Boise State
 
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Irving out indefinitely

Top-ranked Duke says freshman point guard Kyrie Irving is out indefinitely with a toe injury, and coach Mike Krzyzewski said there?s a possibility it could be for the rest of the season.

Krzyzewski said after Wednesday night?s 83-48 win over Bradley that the star guard is being evaluated by doctors at Duke and nationally. The team hopes to learn more about his status in the next week to 10 days, but Krzyzewski called Irving?s injury ?a serious one.?

Irving sat on the bench in street clothes wearing a boot on his right foot to protect the big toe injured in last weekend?s win against Butler. Krzyzewski said the team didn?t learn of the seriousness of the injury until it returned to campus and that Irving could be out ?for a long time.?

?Everybody?s game changes, including mine,? Krzyzewski said. ?It doesn?t mean a wholesale change in what you?re doing, but it changes everything including the habits of having played with that great player for the entire preseason and eight games.?

Irving was second on the team in scoring at 17.4 points per game, while his ability to push the ball in transition had sparked a faster pace for the defending national champions. He had a season-high 31 points in a practically flawless performance here against Michigan State last week, then had 21 points against Butler and even returned to the game after suffering the injury.

Senior Nolan Smith was the primary ballhandler against Bradley and had a career-high 10 assists, but he managed just two points on 0-for-8 shooting. Seth Curry served as Smith?s backup, while freshman Tyler Thornton also saw minutes early against the Braves.
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