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DT Luke Fickell (HC Wisconsin Badgers)

I really don't care what he says to the media. He could come and leave every interview giving the Marcus Hall Double Salute, and I could care less. I rate politicians as better people than journos.
What gets me is that no matter how you slice it, the defense just isn't up to snuff.
Whether it's development or scheme... it's hard to say that year after year it's all on the players who have "failed" to develop, rather than on the coaches responsible for developing them. These are all kids recruited during Fickell's time as well. So we can't use the time-old "not his guys" excuse.

But, honestly, I believe it's a myriad of issues -- execution, scheme, development. The execution isn't 1 or 2 outliers either, it's systemic.
I don't pretend to have the solutions, but barring an unlikely complete reversal in the next 2 games... it seems that something needs to change.


None of the following is about Fickell specifically -- just my musings on Coaching positions in general...

It seems to me that football coaching is highly susceptible to Peter's Principle. Namely, that people are promoted until they reach the level at which they are incompetent. However, failure is also punished harshly in the sports world, making it difficult to find new employment at their "incompetent level" or go back to the highest level of their competence. We see this all the time as countless Coordinators become HCs and then bounce around at that level until they're finally flushed out of the system or develop some coping skills to reach a basic level of competence. It's also quite evident in the public sector where, invariably, almost all civil servant positions are filled by incompetent people who have risen to their level of ineffectiveness -- including Universities.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Principle
It seems to me, an organization which can avoid the issues with Peter's Principle will have a significant advantage in hiring coaching staffs.
 
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Is Luke Trolling?
 
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Yeah, but why are we heaping all the blame on the Co-Defensive coordinator Fickell and yet nothing is said about the Other Co-Defensive coordinator Withers? Does not the blame fall on both? It is easy to throw Fickell under the bus, but nobody is throwing Withers under the bus. Why does he get a pass? The DB's haven't exactly been playing lights out either. I'm not saying Fickell isn't part of the problem, but is he the entire problem?

Corrected since I was called out by the spelling police, who would rather call somone out on their spelling instead of discuss the poster's points. Well done.

This.

I mean, Withers is the Assistant Head Coach, and I believe the S Position coach.

Last year I felt like there was a philosophical clash that eventually got pretty well sorted out. This year, maybe the same thing, less sorting. I'm not gonna second guess coverages, etc, but, it looks as thought its gone back to being scared of getting gashed, and as a result they're giving up long drives, when what we should be doing is getting takeaways and 3 and outs and if you get beat a few times, realize if your offense has the ball more, they're gonna score. I just don't understand playing so soft if its going to leave you on the field, keep the ball away from the offense, and when they offense does have the ball, they're gonna score or get a 3 and out in probalby 3 minutes and you're going back out there. Against Michigan and Illinois (in very recent history) they were gassed. I'd rather go down attacking and let Braxton have as many shots as you can get them than watch reduxes of Iowa. (If Withers is so concerned about number of plays, take some chances to reduce that number)
 
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I have defended Fickell in the past. But after watching this game tonight and watching this defense for the past couple of years, Luke has got to go. Heacock ran a much better defense. I don't think Urban can be happy with the fact that the D couldn't get off the field often enough. The Offense couldn't get on track because often they had been on the sidelines for long stints. Well, it will be a couple of years now before we are ready for a title run again.
 
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I hate to pile on a former Buckeye who has given so much to the University, but Fickell has to go. When shaky inconsistent QBs and offenses have career days against you, that's a major problem.Ever since he has had a major role in shaping our defense (circa 2010), it has gotten progressively worse. Granted our LB corps( outside of Shazier) and our secondary ( outside of an inconsistent but solid Roby) hasn't been ideal in years in terms of talent and execution, but some of that is also on him. This is Ohio State. You have access to a plethora of 5, 4, and high 3 stars to mold into players. If they aren't producing, it's either a result of poor coaching and/or incorrect talent evaluations. Either one is unacceptable and should result in job termination. Secondly, high caliber coaches do their best to hide their teams faults, which he has done little of. Tell me what coach, who knows his secondary is penalty prone, un disciplined, and liable to not wrap up in space, constantly allows them to play a soft man/zone? Our defense was solid when we blitzed and put pressure on the QB but he was always hesitant to dial up the heat for the whole game. Yes, it leaves our DBs in man, but it's for a short period with the opposing QB under duress. With our Dline( the only consistent part of the D), the QB is rarely able to get off a clean throw on a good look. But no, as soon as we get a lead or a couple if sacks, Fickell dials it back. Smh.
 
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one thing has bothered me for more than a few weeks now...How many times must we see Pitt Brown get toasted and abused? two things are at play here...Either the 5 star kids we brought in are not as good as him (which is a whole other can of worms to worry about) or there are other factors we don't know about. At this point what is the difference if Bell or Burroughs get toasted compared to Brown?? Honestly, if they get burned and you coach them up afterwards, maybe it doesn't happen a 2nd time?? we've already seen that it will ALWAYS happen with Brown and for the life of me I can't understand why the 5 stars aren't getting their shot? its not like they are being redshirted. any way...just my opinion.
 
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one thing has bothered me for more than a few weeks now...How many times must we see Pitt Brown get toasted and abused? two things are at play here...Either the 5 star kids we brought in are not as good as him (which is a whole other can of worms to worry about) or there are other factors we don't know about. At this point what is the difference if Bell or Burroughs get toasted compared to Brown?? Honestly, if they get burned and you coach them up afterwards, maybe it doesn't happen a 2nd time?? we've already seen that it will ALWAYS happen with Brown and for the life of me I can't understand why the 5 stars aren't getting their shot? its not like they are being redshirted. any way...just my opinion.
Can't argue with that.
 
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one thing has bothered me for more than a few weeks now...How many times must we see Pitt Brown get toasted and abused?

I was getting sick of seeing Barnett get abused last night.

Either the 5 star kids we brought in are not as good as him (which is a whole other can of worms to worry about) or there are other factors we don't know about. At this point what is the difference if Bell or Burroughs get toasted compared to Brown?? Honestly, if they get burned and you coach them up afterwards, maybe it doesn't happen a 2nd time?? we've already seen that it will ALWAYS happen with Brown and for the life of me I can't understand why the 5 stars aren't getting their shot? its not like they are being redshirted. any way...just my opinion.

I am not happy with either the corners or safeties development. Honor&Glory, you are obviously a Colerain guy so you might have some thoughts on this, but I am not impressed with Kerry Coombs as a college position coach. He seems to be a great motivator he might be a good recruiter, but the results on the field are not there.
 
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I was getting sick of seeing Barnett get abused last night.



I am not happy with either the corners or safeties development. Honor&Glory, you are obviously a Colerain guy so you might have some thoughts on this, but I am not impressed with Kerry Coombs as a college position coach. He seems to be a great motivator he might be a good recruiter, but the results on the field are not there.


i made a comment in the game thread last night that after watching it for 15 years at Colerain and then 5 at UC it can't be a coincidence anymore. I love the guy. I love his passion but whatever it is he is teaching is not working or meshing. He inherited Mike Mickens at UC who was a very good cover corner at UC...but went backwards from his last year with Dantonio/Narduzzi to his first year with Kelly/Coombs. (Roby anyone?)

Again, I love the guy and love what he does for OSU in planting the flag up north and all those good things. But I cannot excuse the continued poor play of his position group. The good news is that Kerry will take responsibility and get back to work. He hates losing and I think there will be a renewed focus from him and this group during bowl prep. I expect open competition for every spot in the secondary except for Roby's spot.
 
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I've never been one to advocate dismissing a coach for anything other than off field issues, but I think the problems with the defense are of a fundamental nature and have just become a regressing ckusterhoke of bad schemes (for the love of God, no more soft zone), poor personnel decisions and bad player development. That can't be fixed by watching some film or attending some other teams' spring practices. It's going to require wholesale change.

That's the fundamental difference between what went on on the offensive side last night, where all that is required is some film study, admitting mistakes and throwing a few pages of the play book away.
 
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i made a comment in the game thread last night that after watching it for 15 years at Colerain and then 5 at UC it can't be a coincidence anymore. I love the guy. I love his passion but whatever it is he is teaching is not working or meshing. He inherited Mike Mickens at UC who was a very good cover corner at UC...but went backwards from his last year with Dantonio/Narduzzi to his first year with Kelly/Coombs. (Roby anyone?)

Again, I love the guy and love what he does for OSU in planting the flag up north and all those good things. But I cannot excuse the continued poor play of his position group. The good news is that Kerry will take responsibility and get back to work. He hates losing and I think there will be a renewed focus from him and this group during bowl prep. I expect open competition for every spot in the secondary except for Roby's spot.

You, yourself, state that its been a 20+ year problem. What on earth makes you think that, if it hasn't been aaddressed over that timespan, the next eight months will do the trick.
 
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You, yourself, state that its been a 20+ year problem. What on earth makes you think that, if it hasn't been aaddressed over that timespan, the next eight months will do the trick.
optimism, I suppose. I've got nothing else. I hate to not see him on the staff, I guess...but perhaps it would be easier if he were replaced. you're right.
 
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