Drunken Pirate MySpace pic costs student her degree

[Wingate1217]

Do you have lots of drunk people stumbling around your workplace...if you do maybe you should take that up with management.

Wouldn't be ironic if he worked at a bar....
Lots of people stumbling about...

 

[Jeffcat]

It doesn't matter if anyone "wants" to die. They will.

you should get the nobel prize for being obvious.

 

[Jeffcat]

How is having a beer at a party a liability?

hmmm well i could make a case for that but i was more going towards the direction of her being drunk and/or hungover in the workplace which is with kids. i never said she ultimately would but to any employer it puts them on the spot as a liability. like i said earlier if an employer saw that picture and/or knew the tendencies of drinking then i highly doubt she would be employed by a school.

 

[jwinslow]

hmmm well i could make a case for that but i was more going towards the direction of her being drunk and/or hungover in the workplace which is with kids. i never said she ultimately would but to any employer it puts them on the spot as a liability. like i said earlier if an employer saw that picture and/or knew the tendencies of drinking then i highly doubt she would be employed by a school.

So because she drinks outside of work, she will undoubtedly be hungover during work? Do you have one shred of evidence of this, or is this just a convenient assumption (or as you say in every other post, 'grasping at straws')?

What if she's drinking on a friday night?

 

[Wingate1217]

hmmm well i could make a case for that but i was more going towards the direction of her being drunk and/or hungover in the workplace which is with kids. i never said she ultimately would but to any employer it puts them on the spot as a liability. like i said earlier if an employer saw that picture and/or knew the tendencies of drinking then i highly doubt she would be employed by a school.

I smell a lot of bull pukey.....

 

[Jeffcat]

Jeff, is it evil to have wine as part of a religious ceremony?
exactly, and somehow he's incapable of realizing that not everyone that drinks is a drunken fool. There are hundreds of million of responsible drinkers out there, including the majority of drinkers in entire countries.

I rarely consume alcohol, do not agree with going out to get drunk, and have a family history of alcoholism... so I'm well aware of those dangers. But none of those issues make alcohol wrong. The abuse of alcohol is wrong, not the drink.

If I go nuts and consume 30 cans of Mountain Dew a day, it's going to have negative side effects. If I have 1 can a day, and I brush my teeth soon afterwards... I'll be just fine.

It's the same with alcohol, sugar, butter, intercourse, running, etc. If I don't stop myself after a guarded amount, it can have bad consequences.

for the sake of making things really hysterical i am not going to debate over wine in religious ceremonies. however red wine is strongly the best support you can substantiate for "alcohol" because of its VERY minor health benefits. abuse of alcohol is wrong and those who drink responsibly then congratulations but if you are asking me the choice between eliminating deaths, health problems, drinking crimes by eliminating alcohol as opposed to supporting it merely as somebody non-necessary drink of enjoyment then i think the decision is fairly obvious with little to no benefits coming from consumption of alcohol. with the history you have given you should be quite clearly aware of this already. the weights and benefits are severely weighed down in opposition to alcohol.

 

[Jeffcat]

So because she drinks outside of work, she will undoubtedly be hungover during work? Do you have one shred of evidence of this, or is this just a convenient assumption (or as you say in every other post, 'grasping at straws')?

What if she's drinking on a friday night?

thats precisely why she is a liability. you don't know other than she is drinking(and stupid enough to caught in the way she did). place your kids in the hands of a sober person who doesn't drink or POTENTIALLY put them in the hands of somebody that is unable to perform adaquately............choice is a fairly easy one.

 

[Jeffcat]

I smell a lot of bull pukey.....

me too

 

[jwinslow]

thats precisely why she is a liability. you don't know other than she is drinking(and stupid enough to caught in the way she did). place your kids in the hands of a sober person who doesn't drink or POTENTIALLY put them in the hands of somebody that is unable to perform adaquately............choice is a fairly easy one.

Give me one shred of evidence where she's not sober during school, or admit you're making up a scenario to fit your viewpoint.

One of my good friends has never been a frequent drinker. They have been pretty drunk a handful of times, and never had a hangover the next day... let alone 2-3 days later during the work week.

 

[Wingate1217]

I say we pool of our V$ and by Jeff one of these.....

I know by this point I could sure use one and I haven't had one in over 2 months.....

 

[jwinslow]

for the sake of making things really hysterical i am not going to debate over wine in religious ceremonies.

No, this already became hysterical many hours ago.

abuse of alcohol is wrong and those who drink responsibly then congratulations

Was it really that hard to admit that?

but if you are asking me the choice

I'm not asking you anything. You have become sober and choose to avoid alcohol altogether. I respect that decision, FOR YOU. You seem incapable of separating your needs & rules from others.

I know plenty of people who drink responsibly. Are they all committing an evil act? Or are they enjoying something with a degree of control that some, including yourself apparently, are unable to maintain?

I loved playing Counter-Strike in college. But I was unable to enjoy that diversion in moderation, it interfered with my college life (studies, sleep, meals, etc). It became a serious problem, and so I had to cut it off cold turkey.

Were there many others who also let it dominate their time? Sure. But that didn't make CS wrong, and I had no business telling others they were wrong to play.

if you are asking me the choice between eliminating deaths, health problems, drinking crimes by eliminating alcohol as opposed to supporting it merely as somebody non-necessary drink of enjoyment then i think the decision is fairly obvious with little to no benefits coming from consumption of alcohol.

But you aren't making one choice. You're making two: One for yourself or alcohol-abusers (where you feel unsafe risking any amount of alcohol), and one for responsible drinkers (who can operate outside of your abstinence safely).

with the history you have given you should be quite clearly aware of this already.

I am well aware of the potential self-control issues, FOR ME. What do my struggles have to do with others?

 

[Saw31]

 

[Jeffcat]

Give me one shred of evidence where she's not sober during school, or admit you're making up a scenario to fit your viewpoint.

One of my good friends has never been a frequent drinker. They have been pretty drunk a handful of times, and never had a hangover the next day... let alone 2-3 days later during the work week.

fit what scenario. my scenario is reality. suppose your friend was also drunk and slammed with multiple DUIs and whatever else. do you think that makes him a better prospect for a teaching job over a sober person given they have the same teaching capacity? he is a liability. whether or not you think he could show up innebriated or even if he never even does show up that way is unknown to an employer so do you believe they will take the person with a liability or the one that as far as they know is not one?

 

[jwinslow]

fit what scenario.

Fit your scenario where drinking MUST lead to trouble, even a hindrance at work, so surely that was and/or will be the case with her.

my scenario is reality.

No it's not. You continue to assume (aka "make up that") she will be hungover at work (at some point) b/c she drinks, nevermind that its perfectly avoidable, even for heavy drinkers.

suppose your friend was also drunk and slammed with multiple DUIs and whatever else. do you think that makes him a better prospect for a teaching job over a sober person given they have the same teaching capacity? he is a liability.

So much for reality. How is that a valid question? How does one night of drinking equate to multiple felonies? Do you not see how you're sculpting reality to fit your personal crusade against alcohol?

 

[Jeffcat]

No, this already became hysterical many hours ago.Was it really that hard to admit that?
I'm not asking you anything. You have become sober and choose to avoid alcohol altogether. I respect that decision, FOR YOU. You seem incapable of separating your needs & rules from others.

my needs are of no importance. however when a dumbass kills somebody while driving impaired it is pretty clear that if alcohol was never there the chances of him causing an accident are grossly decreased.

I know plenty of people who drink responsibly. Are they all committing an evil act? Or are they enjoying something with a degree of control that some, including yourself apparently, are unable to maintain?

i know plenty of people who do as well. is their enjoyment worth more then little susie that is killed by a drunk driver or joe getting a hepatectomy?

I loved playing Counter-Strike in college. But I was unable to enjoy that diversion in moderation, it interfered with my college life (studies, sleep, meals, etc). It became a serious problem, and so I had to cut it off cold turkey.

Were there many others who also let it dominate their time? Sure. But that didn't make CS wrong, and I had no business telling others they were wrong to play.But you aren't making one choice. You're making two: One for yourself or alcohol-abusers (where you feel unsafe risking any amount of alcohol), and one for responsible drinkers (who can operate outside of your abstinence safely).
I am well aware of the potential self-control issues, FOR ME. What do my struggles have to do with others?

god damn i love counter strike too. CS doesn't have the possibility to kill somebody(well in real life at least) or have harmful effects such as alcohol even though failing an exam is a bitch it can't be mentioned in the same breath as somebody suffering from the negative side of alcohol. your example is a good one though. you being the responsible one stopped playing(stopped drinking) in order to achieve something. others continued to play(drink) and may have suffered negative consequences. is it CS's fault?........in this scenario yes and no. yes in the perspective that if eliminate CS studying MAY be accomplished depending upon that person's desire to study. you cannot make the same statement for alcohol. if you eliminate alcohol you won't MAYBE have a problem unless it is non-alcohol related of course. you could also say no in the respect that CS is a game that can simply be turned on/off. you can't do the same thing with alcohol with being in an instant drunk/sober. whichever stance you choose yes or no there is still a valid reason why alcohol is negative.