Donovan McNabb (official thread)

[Fungo Squiggly]

Why doesn't it make sense? Philly used a late pick on a backup quarterback, a position they need filled for the future (since they ditched their backup).

Philly actually used their first pick (2nd round, 36th overall) to take Kolb. Troy was the late round pick referenced earlier.

The rest of your point stands.

 

[OH10]

Thats a good point...I won't pretend I am a Phily expert but as much as it may be a product of the situation I am sick of hearing McNabb complain. Maybe he has some valid points in this situation but on the heel of everything else he complains about it is too much.

I'm still confused as to how Donovan gets labeled as a complainer.

 

[jwinslow]

I'm still confused as to how Donovan gets labeled as a complainer.

Excellent question. I still fail to see how the Limbaugh & Owens situations were damning to McNabb... it's impossible not to address those situations when the media refuses to ask you anything else.

As for this draft, most of the america was equally shocked when Philly used their top pick on a QB, especially Kolb. I see no reason why McNabb can't be surprised also. It's not like he started a feud with Kolb, he plans to help him in his development.

 

[zBuckeye10z]

Why doesn't it make sense? Philly used a late pick on a backup quarterback, a position they need filled for the future (since they ditched their backup).

How about you offer some insight into why you think it makes no sense instead of a one-liner rolling your eyes?

I agree 100%, that the pick does make sense. The fact that it was a second round pick means that 1) you dont have to pay him as much and 2) you still get a valuable QB in Kevin Kolb. McNabb may not be happy but IMO, you always draft for the future, not for now. McNabb is getting older and becoming more injury prone, so picking up Kolb was a smart pick IMO because he can still learn from McNabb, and when the time comes, Kolb can step right in and be a solid backup.

 

[jwinslow]

I agree 100%, that the pick does make sense. The fact that it was a second round pick means that 1) you dont have to pay him as much and 2) you still get a valuable QB in Kevin Kolb. McNabb may not be happy but IMO, you always draft for the future, not for now. McNabb is getting older and becoming more injury prone, so picking up Kolb was a smart pick IMO because he can still learn from McNabb, and when the time comes, Kolb can step right in and be a solid backup.

Just to be clear, I don't disagree with building for the future, and McNabb is getting older... I think Kolb that early, with no first rounder, was a slight surprise. The eagles have a solid reason to make that selection, and their franchise player has a solid reason to be taken aback.

 

[jwinslow]

MSNBC

Earth to McNabb: You're not QB for life
Philly smart to draft young quarterback to ensure competition, better teamThere are two approaches to building a championship football team.The first hinges on competition. Every position is up for grabs. No job is safe. This method fosters an aggressiveness that is essential to football success.
The second involves designating incumbents at some, if not all, positions on the field. This plan creates a feeling of entitlement among certain players and resentment among others, and it often translates into uninspired play and poor attitudes.

...Continued

 

[buckeyefool]

I'm still confused as to how Donovan gets labeled as a complainer.

because the media says so, or asks questions that make him look that way.

duh!! :)

 

[yangup81]

Why doesn't it make sense? Philly used a late pick on a backup quarterback, a position they need filled for the future (since they ditched their backup).

How about you offer some insight into why you think it makes no sense instead of a one-liner rolling your eyes?

No, I agree with the pic, especially since it was a 2nd round pick. I agree w/ your point 100%. What I don't agree with is Jwin-slow comparing someone posting on a message board vs. McNabb complaining to the media--yeah, those are the same.

 

[ScarletBlood31]

It's kind of funny to be criticizing the guy, after he's played through multiple injuries, and remained one of the classiest players in the league his whole career.

 

[melrun78]

Excellent question. I still fail to see how the Limbaugh & Owens situations were damning to McNabb... it's impossible not to address those situations when the media refuses to ask you anything else.

As for this draft, most of the america was equally shocked when Philly used their top pick on a QB, especially Kolb. I see no reason why McNabb can't be surprised also. It's not like he started a feud with Kolb, he plans to help him in his development.

Hurry dude, cover your tracks:

Just to be clear, I don't disagree with building for the future, and McNabb is getting older... I think Kolb that early, with no first rounder, was a slight surprise. The eagles have a solid reason to make that selection, and their franchise player has a solid reason to be taken aback.

Seriously, hes a 2nd round pick after the team just lost their #1 backup and the guy who carried them into the playoffs shouldn't come as a huge surprise. As Eagles managment, wouldn't you want to give the possible future of your franchise some time with an experienced QB like Donovan. Does it matter if it surprised "most of America?" (By the way, where did you see that poll, cause it seems pretty even in here).

But really, is he going to lose his job to a rookie? Were there that many other glaring roster issues the Eagles needed to satisfy with a rookie draft pick?

And hell yeah McNabb is a complainer, just because the media asks a question doesn't mean he has to respond. For example, lets just look at the NBA season and how the media hounded Kobe. Dude plays down the situation and lets his actions speak. McNabb would rather run his mouth and submit a subpar performance.

 

[OH10]

And hell yeah McNabb is a complainer, just because the media asks a question doesn't mean he has to respond. For example, lets just look at the NBA season and how the media hounded Kobe. Dude plays down the situation and lets his actions speak. McNabb would rather run his mouth and submit a subpar performance.

They asked if he was surprised, and he said he was. He went on to state that he is going to help the guy progress. I don't see that as someone running their mouth. I think you needed him to have said something more if you want to support your strong position that he's running his mouth and that he's a complainer.

Otherwise, I fully expect you in the future to post in other player threads that "(so and so) is a complainer". Because apparently, your standards are very easy to meet. As I stated before, you can start in Brett Favre's thread.

 

[Golferdow01]

Philly actually used their first pick (2nd round, 36th overall) to take Kolb. Troy was the late round pick referenced earlier.

The rest of your point stands.

Late enough right? I have a short attention span. Anything arter the 1st round is gravy :)

 

[melrun78]

They asked if he was surprised, and he said he was. He went on to state that he is going to help the guy progress. I don't see that as someone running their mouth. I think you needed him to have said something more if you want to support your strong position that he's running his mouth and that he's a complainer.

Otherwise, I fully expect you in the future to post in other player threads that "(so and so) is a complainer". Because apparently, your standards are very easy to meet. As I stated before, you can start in Brett Favre's thread.

It isn't this one instant, but more over the last few years as he complains about any difficult situation that he has anything to do with. Sure, this by itself is not a big deal but every thing that comes up w/ in the Eagles does not need to have Donovan McNabb's personal opinion stamped on it.

Lets look at Derek Jeter. I don't personally like him but he's a classy guy who keeps his mouth shut depite all the turmoil that is the Yankees. All I am saying is Donovan needs to zip it up and let his actions determine what goes on in his organization.

 

[jwinslow]

Hurry dude, cover your tracks:

Point out where I backtracked.

I made my point quite clearly. Philly has a right to pick who they want and McNabb has a right to be affected by it. As I expressed from the beginning, and in that post, Kolb was a bit of a reach... especially after passing on a first rounder.

Does it matter if it surprised "most of America?" (By the way, where did you see that poll, cause it seems pretty even in here).

50% of everyone here was expecting Philly to take Kolb, or 50% think it's an okay pick after the fact.

But really, is he going to lose his job to a rookie? Were there that many other glaring roster issues the Eagles needed to satisfy with a rookie draft pick?

I'm far from an Eagles expert, so I'll refer to NFLDC:

1. Defensive Back: Michael Lewis was a big disappointment who was allowed to leave as a free agent so safety is a need and their depth at cornerback is basically lackluster as well.
2. Defensive End: Jevon Kearse is coming back from a major injury and is not in the teams long-term plans, Darren Howard has been a disappointment while Trent Cole is just a backup.
3. Wide Receiver: As the old adage goes if you have a lot you usually have nothing and while the Iggles have a bunch of solid wideouts they still don't really have a true #1 target.

Other draft takes:

From espn:

CBSSportsline.com's Pete Prisco C
FoxSports.com's John Czarnecki C
ESPN.com's Mel Kiper Jr. C-
NBCSports.com's Gregg Rosenthal A-
SI.com's Paul Zimmerman D
ESPN.com's SportsNation F
SportingNews.com's War Room Scouts A
USAToday.com's Tom Weir D
Yahoo.com's Charles Robinson D

Consensus GPA 1.8

Sportnutz

This was a lot to give up to send a message to McNabb. There were very good players of much greater need available and even if they wanted a QB, this was a huge reach, Drew Stanton, John Beck and Trent Edwards were all rated higher. Many view Kolb as a pure system quarterback. Overall Value: 5 Pick Value: 6 Bust factor: 6

Outside The Beltway

5. The Philadelphia Eagles traded out of the first round with the Cowboys, who took defensive end Anthony Spencer. The Eagles used the 36th overall pick (their first pick in the draft) on Houston QB Kevin Kolb when QBs Drew Stanton, John Beck and Trent Edwards were all still on the board.

Phillyburbs

While I?ve long advocated drafting an eventual successor to Donovan McNabb for continuity sake, I don?t think this is the guy. I could be wrong and I didn?t boo his selection. I just think Andy Reid and Tom Heckert could have used their first round pick better by filling a current need rather than trading down this year.
There was plenty of high quality players still on the board when the Eagles cut their deal with Dallas - among them, Penn State monster linebacker Paul Posluszny.
For that reason alone, I have to give the Birds a mid-term ?C?, at best. It could still become a ?B,? but I?ll have to see the big kid actually play a bit before I make that determination.
What?s the short-term game plan to fill safety Michael Lewis? empty spot and the long-term one to eventually replace both FS Brian Dawkins and MLB Jeremiah Trotter?

And hell yeah McNabb is a complainer, just because the media asks a question doesn't mean he has to respond. For example, lets just look at the NBA season and how the media hounded Kobe. Dude plays down the situation and lets his actions speak. McNabb would rather run his mouth and submit a subpar performance.

You believe the media would settle for the 'no response' option with regard to TO? Limbaugh?

You reference Kobe as someone who never complains? I agree THIS season he's handled himself well, but he's certainly let the media get to him in the past.

 

[OH10]

It isn't this one instant, but more over the last few years as he complains about any difficult situation that he has anything to do with. Sure, this by itself is not a big deal but every thing that comes up w/ in the Eagles does not need to have Donovan McNabb's personal opinion stamped on it.

Like what? Stop generalizing and actually give me some quotes.

Lets look at Derek Jeter. I don't personally like him but he's a classy guy who keeps his mouth shut depite all the turmoil that is the Yankees. All I am saying is Donovan needs to zip it up and let his actions determine what goes on in his organization.

Catch-22. If a player avoids questions, he gets criticized like Barry Bonds. If he answers them honestly, guys like you exaggerate what he was saying.

Derek Jeter is a poor example. He's won multiple rings, and has been given lifetime immunity from the media.