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Donald Sterling and his comments

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MaxBuck said:
Black folks object to having to "act white" to get work. I get it. But as someone who sells professional services, I've had to call on racists and swallow my tongue when they spouted off some objectionable thing or other about black folks, and I've had to call on homophobes and on, frankly, crooks, and had to prevent myself from saying something that would prevent my company from getting work. Unfortunately, the business world often requires dressing, talking and acting in ways that we would prefer not to. Sometimes that may mean "talking like a white person," other times it means removing that tongue ring, removing the rainbow bumper sticker or concealing the tattoo.

None of that is racist; it's just business. Smart black folks (and smart gay folks, and smart Jews, and so on) understand that, don't whine, suck it up and thrive. Those who wish to be victims are the ones who generally piss off white non-racists who just want to get work done.

Having said all this, nobody should think I'm minimizing the effects of racism that still exists.
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I have a female friend that works as a server at one of the upscale restaurants around the Peoria Sports complex here in the Phoenix area, it's right on the border of Sun City which is a conclave of old, wealthish, almost entirely white people. She's an ultra-liberal and was wearing an Obama pin on her uniform during the last presidential election. She was whining that people were rude to her and even though her service was good, her tips her lousy. No shit sherlock! When it comes to earning a living sometimes you have set certain principles aside and do what you have to do. I told her that if she was smart she would have worn a Romney pin, doesn't have to vote for him but at least she would have been playing to her audience. Fair or not I tip my server not only on the service but also on whether or not I like him or her. I don't care if you give me stellar service, if you annoy me your tip is going to be in the 15-20% range. I always tip 50% if I like you, that's how i roll.
 
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Buckeye513 said:
No. Feel free to educate me as to how hiring a capable individual with a facial piercing would lead to anarchy. I'm guessing your company doesn't deal exclusively with the microfraction of the population that would be offended by a lip ring.
I would make a large bet that none of my potential customers would've given a fuck about my beard and tattoos.
I know why employers judge appearance. I'm not sure what you're arguing.
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A face piercing is a specific thing that I don't have as much experience with, and it isn't as big of a deal at the places I have been. More of the issues I am experienced with are girls who show up looking all "slutted out" (yes, an ugly way to put it, but I don't know how else to say it) like they are going to a Miami nightclub or guys who show up looking like a bum who just rolled out of the gutter. Now do those...specifically...disqualify someone from being capable of doing a good job? No. But presentation often correlates with an understanding of what the business is, how customers and co-workers will view a person, and frankly, how seriously that person takes the job and what their intentions are from it. That isn't a race issue, it isn't a class issue, it's a business issue. Everyone here, from the Orderlies to the Custodial Staff to the Food Service workers to the PIs to the Doctors to the Nurses to the Office Staff, are all expected to present themselves using certain guidelines, because we are a customer-oriented business. If you want to show up to job interviews looking like a slob to "prove" that appearance doesn't equate to performance, be my guest...but that will be a very uphill battle because you likely aren't going to get the chance to. This is not directed at you, but if a person smells like they just got out of a sewer, or if they look like a Gary Busey mugshot, or if they start using words like "bitch fuck cock balls ass dick cunt beaver" when talking to a customer...that's bad business. Period.
 
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Bucklion said:
A face piercing is a specific thing that I don't have as much experience with, and it isn't as big of a deal at the places I have been. More of the issues I am experienced with are girls who show up looking all "slutted out" (yes, an ugly way to put it, but I don't know how else to say it) like they are going to a Miami nightclub or guys who show up looking like a bum who just rolled out of the gutter. Now do those...specifically...disqualify someone from being capable of doing a good job? No. But presentation often correlates with an understanding of what the business is, how customers and co-workers will view a person, and frankly, how seriously that person takes the job and what their intentions are from it. That isn't a race issue, it isn't a class issue, it's a business issue. Everyone here, from the Orderlies to the Custodial Staff to the Food Service workers to the PIs to the Doctors to the Nurses to the Office Staff, are all expected to present themselves using certain guidelines, because we are a customer-oriented business. If you want to show up to job interviews looking like a slob to "prove" that appearance doesn't equate to performance, be my guest...but that will be a very uphill battle because you likely aren't going to get the chance to. This is not directed at you, but if a person smells like they just got out of a sewer, or if they look like a Gary Busey mugshot, or if they start using words like "bitch fuck cock balls ass dick cunt beaver" when talking to a customer...that's bad business. Period.
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Excellent points right here.....
 
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OH10 said:
Presentation and appearance matters in business. Period. Why? Because businesses have customers and customers have certain expectations and prejudices. Period. Why are we having this discussion in this thread?
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Feel free to shift the discussion...it broke off to this because of...fuck, I don't know, it's back 10-15 pages.
 
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OH10 said:
Presentation and appearance matters in business. Period. Why? Because businesses have customers and customers have certain expectations and prejudices. Period. Why are we having this discussion in this thread?
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Because nobody here has really disputed that Donald Sterling is a racist fuckwit, but our fingers demand something be typed nonetheless.
 
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MaxBuck said:
Because nobody here has really disputed that Donald Sterling is a racist fuckwit, but our fingers demand something be typed nonetheless.
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Speaking of Sterling (sorry), after going over the Anderson Cooper thing... I mean, and not to make an excuse for the guy, but does anyone else get the sense that he's about two millimeters from going Howard Hughes? Honestly I got 10 bucks that says he ends up in the penthouse of the Tropicana and that girl keeps his body in a room for 10 months stealing everything she can before she tells anyone where to find his mummified remains.
 
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AKAK said:
Speaking of Sterling (sorry), after going over the Anderson Cooper thing... I mean, and not to make an excuse for the guy, but does anyone else get the sense that he's about two millimeters from going Howard Hughes? Honestly I got 10 bucks that says he ends up in the penthouse of the Tropicana and that girl keeps his body in a room for 10 months stealing everything she can before she tells anyone where to find his mummified remains.
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Not to get even further off-track here, but does anyone else see an enormous commercial potential in a lesbian porno featuring V. Stiviano and Jen Bielema?

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AKAK said:
Speaking of Sterling (sorry), after going over the Anderson Cooper thing... I mean, and not to make an excuse for the guy, but does anyone else get the sense that he's about two millimeters from going Howard Hughes? Honestly I got 10 bucks that says he ends up in the penthouse of the Tropicana and that girl keeps his body in a room for 10 months stealing everything she can before she tells anyone where to find his mummified remains.
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Oh he's 2 reactive astrocytes from smearing himself in peanut butter and having imaginary sex with a zamboni, no doubt. I mean that's not early stage dementia, that's well past that. Still, his history and actions don't exactly let him off the hook as a Jim Kelly type guy whose brain went south...I think he's always been this way.
 
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MaxBuck said:
Not to get even further off-track here, but does anyone else see an enormous commercial potential in a lesbian porno featuring V. Stiviano and Jen Bielema?

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Only if she wears that nose. We would also need Peter North as Donald Sterling and someone to play the guy she wasn't supposed to "bring around" to make a full length feature. Not sure who would play Bielema, but I imagine most of the porn stars of the early 90s look like him now.
 
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