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Do You Believe People are Basically Evil?

osugrad21;1104009; said:
Somehow this thread seems to perfectly fit my vision of Taos...I picture him sitting on a rock in his dirty toga wearing the John Lennon glasses and surrounded by a dozen other hippies as they all pass the peace pipe and partake in a platter full of fruit and vegetables.

You just described my Philosophy 151 prof my freshman year at OSU. :biggrin:
 
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Taosman;1103981; said:
This is kind of a off shoot of "Moment of Truth" tv show that seems to take a cynical view that people have no moral values. That people are crap.
What do you think?
Are people generally "crap"? Without moral values?

in the history of mankind there has never been an "evil" person. all people are essentially the same. some are simply less informed, sane, well adjusted, etc.. than others. even hitler honestly thought what he was doing was right. i seriously doubt there was ever a point during anything he did where he thought, "dude, im one evil sob". he didn't gas jews then bust out in a fit of maniacal laughter.

all these nutjobs spout off how they are doing "the lords work" not because it says in the evil guy handbook that you have to. these people honestly and truly believe that what they are doing is right and is the best thing for everyone. noone ever believes "they" are the bad guy.

in a group people tend to allow their own morals be drowned out and adopt that of the group. germany is a perfect example of this. it wasn't a country full of devil worshipers who hated jews. it was a country full of people who were desolate and desperate for direction. terrorism is cut from the exact same cloth.

the mass majority of people on this planet are weak minded followers desperately searching for someone to tell them what to do.
 
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I feel like most (90%) of the people are good...if things are positive in their life. Great Majority of those 90% of those people may feel or act differently if things were not so great.

Basically, very few people are good regardless of the situation.
 
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martinss01;1104051; said:
in the history of mankind there has never been an "evil" person. all people are essentially the same. some are simply less informed, sane, well adjusted, etc.. than others. even hitler honestly thought what he was doing was right. i seriously doubt there was ever a point during anything he did where he thought, "dude, im one evil sob". he didn't gas jews then bust out in a fit of maniacal laughter.

all these nutjobs spout off how they are doing "the lords work" not because it says in the evil guy handbook that you have to. these people honestly and truly believe that what they are doing is right and is the best thing for everyone. noone ever believes "they" are the bad guy.

in a group people tend to allow their own morals be drowned out and adopt that of the group. germany is a perfect example of this. it wasn't a country full of devil worshipers who hated jews. it was a country full of people who were desolate and desperate for direction. terrorism is cut from the exact same cloth.

the mass majority of people on this planet are weak minded followers desperately searching for someone to tell them what to do.

I think your idea is correct for the vast majority... but there are still more than our fair share who idolize cobra commander instead of GI Joe, read up on some of our more famous serial killers.. some people know what they are doing is evil and enjoy it.
 
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martinss01;1104051; said:
in the history of mankind there has never been an "evil" person. all people are essentially the same. some are simply less informed, sane, well adjusted, etc.. than others. even hitler honestly thought what he was doing was right. i seriously doubt there was ever a point during anything he did where he thought, "dude, im one evil sob". he didn't gas jews then bust out in a fit of maniacal laughter.

all these nutjobs spout off how they are doing "the lords work" not because it says in the evil guy handbook that you have to. these people honestly and truly believe that what they are doing is right and is the best thing for everyone. noone ever believes "they" are the bad guy.

in a group people tend to allow their own morals be drowned out and adopt that of the group. germany is a perfect example of this. it wasn't a country full of devil worshipers who hated jews. it was a country full of people who were desolate and desperate for direction. terrorism is cut from the exact same cloth.

extremely good points. it's a shame to me that modern day germans, who weren't even born in that time, must be constantly apologizing for their ancestors.

the mass majority of people on this planet are weak minded followers desperately searching for someone to tell them what to do.

this is true evil in my book. not that the people are weak minded but that 1. there are always people willing to take advantage of this fact and 2. that with only a TINY little bit of interest and will the "herd" doesn't have to be weak minded and weak willed. apathy is the greatest sin. fuck all those seven deadly. apathy.
 
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BuckeyeSoldier;1104056; said:
I think your idea is correct for the vast majority... but there are still more than our fair share who idolize cobra commander instead of GI Joe, read up on some of our more famous serial killers.. some people know what they are doing is evil and enjoy it.

yep. but that is a minority, as you say. unfortunately, it does seem, psychopaths seem to find their way into positions of global power more often than is seemly.
 
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martinss01;1104051; said:
in the history of mankind there has never been an "evil" person. all people are essentially the same. some are simply less informed, sane, well adjusted, etc.. than others. even hitler honestly thought what he was doing was right. i seriously doubt there was ever a point during anything he did where he thought, "dude, im one evil sob". he didn't gas jews then bust out in a fit of maniacal laughter.

all these nutjobs spout off how they are doing "the lords work" not because it says in the evil guy handbook that you have to. these people honestly and truly believe that what they are doing is right and is the best thing for everyone. noone ever believes "they" are the bad guy.

in a group people tend to allow their own morals be drowned out and adopt that of the group. germany is a perfect example of this. it wasn't a country full of devil worshipers who hated jews. it was a country full of people who were desolate and desperate for direction. terrorism is cut from the exact same cloth.

the mass majority of people on this planet are weak minded followers desperately searching for someone to tell them what to do.

Yeppers. Besides, there is no such thing as good or evil.

BuckeyeSoldier;1104056; said:
I think your idea is correct for the vast majority... but there are still more than our fair share who idolize cobra commander instead of GI Joe, read up on some of our more famous serial killers.. some people know what they are doing is evil and enjoy it.

Yes, true, but these people don't think of themselves as evil. That is, this type of person would fall under the "less well adjusted" or whatever.

OCBuckWife;1104062; said:
yep. but that is a minority, as you say. unfortunately, it does seem, psychopaths seem to find their way into positions of global power more often than is seemly.

Psychopathic people, of course, aren't evil either. They're sick people. Dangerous people, but ill none-the-less. That is to say, there are social consequences for behavior, and I don't think we should reduce all "crime" to something soft like "Oh, well, he's just mentally ill" but in the context of this thread, it's not a demonstration of an evil person (not that you said it was)
 
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Some are

The reality is that some people are morally bankrupt. If you put money and competition into the equation, a lot more are likely to be corrupted. They are drawn in by the situation or culture. The sad part today, is that a part of American culture has glorified this lack of values. When I was growing up, an older neighbor told me, "...that it is either the truth or it is not! You don't bend truth when it makes things easier."

There are a lot of people doing good and great things. The trouble is that good things generally do not sell newspapers or media time.

Everyday someone does something great. Today is your day!



Taosman;1103981; said:
This is kind of a off shoot of "Moment of Truth" tv show that seems to take a cynical view that people have no moral values. That people are crap.
What do you think?
Are people generally "crap"? Without moral values?

:oh::io::osu::)
 
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Apache;1104195; said:
What about Stalin, Hitler, slaveholders, mass murderers and historical figures like that? I think they are. Mothers-in-law are pikers compared to these.

You've never met his mother-in-law.
 
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"Morally bankrupt" seems like an overexageration. I agree more with BKB, that there really are no "evil" people, just people who are sick or have lost direction. The only thing separating us from the animal kingdom is our reasoning ability. You lose or don't use that, your lost.
Which makes me wonder further about the whole idea of the death penalty. But, that's a political/philosophical discussion for another place.
 
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