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DL Chris Carter, Jr. (Official Thread)

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MaxBuck said:
I'm not asking you to do any legwork; only that if you have no idea what you're talking about, as in this instance, you refrain from acting as though you do.
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You're bringing up incompatible things. Allowing Greg Oden or Antonio Pittman to come back to school is not the same thing as allowing Nick Saban to use this loophole to clear his annual offseason oversigning of 10 spots.
 
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jwinslow said:
You're bringing up incompatible things. Allowing Greg Oden or Antonio Pittman to come back to school is not the same thing as allowing Nick Saban to use this loophole to clear his annual offseason oversigning of 10 spots.
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I do not know whether there is an NCAA rule preventing a school from offering an academic scholarship to someone with remaining eligibility. I'm interested in knowing whether such an offer would represent a violation. Evidence from North Carolina clearly indicates there's no problem offering such an opportunity to someone without remaining eligibility.

Throwing out terms like "loopholes" doesn't advance the discussion of whether such an approach would be permitted by the NCAA to allow a student to complete his degree with financial aid if he's willing to forego his remaining eligibility. I think it's clear that Ohio State has entered the same twilight zone as Saban as regards encouraging athletes to depart if they're no longer contributors. Just trying to see whether the educational opportunity remains.
 
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jwinslow said:
Being able to return to school is different than having free reign to transfer benchwarmers to academic scholarships. The B1G has been very public about offering the former. The latter is a scouting mistake eraser.

If you can provide evidence of someone transitioning from an athletic scholarship to an academic one, I'll certainly listen. I'm not interested in doing your legwork.
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Thus why 'Bama comes up with paper cuts to put their scouting mistakes on med scholarships. Because loophole discovered.
 
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MaxBuck said:
I do not know whether there is an NCAA rule preventing a school from offering an academic scholarship to someone with remaining eligibility. I'm interested in knowing whether such an offer would represent a violation. Evidence from North Carolina clearly indicates there's no problem offering such an opportunity to someone without remaining eligibility.

Throwing out terms like "loopholes" doesn't advance the discussion of whether such an approach would be permitted by the NCAA to allow a student to complete his degree with financial aid if he's willing to forego his remaining eligibility. I think it's clear that Ohio State has entered the same twilight zone as Saban as regards encouraging athletes to depart if they're no longer contributors. Just trying to see whether the educational opportunity remains.
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It shows you can give opportunities to non amamateurs. It's a big leap from there to acgual amateurs. Offering alumni helps them and does not benefit the school other than good will. Offering amateurs let's the school remove them from the equation when they aren't contributing.

Urban may have approached that realm but this is not the evidence you're looking for to support that. Not renewing 5th years is a common practice at UM and ND.
 
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Not renewing 5th years is a common practice at UM and ND.
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And, evidently, it appears to be coming into play here. And so my questions remain valid, assuming we care about guys like Carter and Underwood getting their degrees.

Personally, I'd rather see these guys get Ohio State degrees than be forced to attend someplace like YSU on a fifth year of eligibility to get a degree that's worth a great deal less in the marketplace.
 
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There's also the real possibility that it's their decision to walk away from football. The tweets don't say Carter is, but they do say Underwood is on schedule to graduate before next fall. So, it's possible that's the case with Carter too. If you're getting your degree and don't think professional football is in it for you, why not call it quits before a devastating injury lowers your quality of life down the road?
 
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MaxBuck said:
And, evidently, it appears to be coming into play here. And so my questions remain valid, assuming we care about guys like Carter and Underwood getting their degrees.

Personally, I'd rather see these guys get Ohio State degrees than be forced to attend someplace like YSU on a fifth year of eligibility to get a degree that's worth a great deal less in the marketplace.
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Suddenly we're worried about the value of their degree? I don't think a Communications degree is worth much regardless of institution... and certainly not worth the pricetag Universities charge for it.
 
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