Destination jobs: SI's top 12 Coaching gigs

[jimotis4heisman]

And yet PSU still hasn't sniffed the prestige of post-Woodson UM, let alone before that.

PSU and UGA are not top-2 jobs in their own conference.

joe pa has two of the past four b10 titles
two national titles
five undefeated seasons
he could have/should have won titles in 94, 85, 69, 68
he has finished in the top five in the polls 13 times
top ten 29 times
won all four major bowls


penn state is hurt by their own coaches succes to some extent
paterno 43 years .751
engle 16 years .679
bednek 1 year .556
higgins 16 years .607
bezdek 12 years .665

five men take you back to 1917. ww1 was still going on...

small town celeb-check
stadium-check
atmosphere-check
recruiting base-check
state heroism-check
private school with state money-check

not saying its top shelf, but it is far from what it is made out to be...

 

[BB73]

Does it reduce desireability?
A schools ability to attract top talent should be one of the top factors in this exercise.

Or should I just sit tight and wait for this to develop into a "our league is really alot better than their league" type threads, it's certainly off to a great start.

I'd say these are the key factors in rating the jobs (not necessarily in order):

- Chance to win a national title (helped by an ability to dominate a conference)
- A tradition of winning, long-term and recently
- Ability to recruit top talent (recruiting base/weather/NFL draftees)
- Commitment from the athletic department (facilities/treatment of coaches)

The author said this:

It's no coincidence there are four SEC jobs in this section and none listed above. While Florida is the closest to ascending, the competitiveness of the conference tends to make success cyclical.

I don't see the thread becoming a conference pissing contest. There was some debate both ways about UGA's spot on the list, you made a statement about 300 recruits in 10 years, and I was making a joke about the numbers.

 

[brutus2002]

Georgia needs to win the SEC more than 2-3 times every 25-30 years before they come thumping their chest's. In Basketball what happened?

The reason Michigan is rated so low is because they suck at Mens and Womens basketball. Heck they suck at football. They are like ND in that they are living off traditional coattails.

I read an article that showed that OSU was the first MAJOR...MAJOR DIV1 school to win conference championships in Mens and Womens basketball and Football. We have done this multiple years...last time I checked we were the only major school to do this.

 

[OWUBuckeye51]

Andy Staples breaks the top-12 coaching jobs into 3 categories:

Platinum:

Ohio State
Oklahoma
Texas
USC

Gold:

Alabama
Florida
Georgia
LSU
Penn State

Still destinations, but barely:

Florida State
Michigan
Notre Dame

si.com

Not to get nit picky, but this article is wrong. 5, not 4, Big Ten titles. As Jim Calhoun would say, "check your facts!"

2002, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008

 

[mercer_buckeye]

Georgia needs to win the SEC more than 2-3 times every 25-30 years before they come thumping their chest's. In Basketball what happened?

The reason Michigan is rated so low is because they suck at Mens and Womens basketball. Heck they suck at football. They are like ND in that they are living off traditional coattails.

I read an article that showed that OSU was the first MAJOR...MAJOR DIV1 school to win conference championships in Mens and Womens basketball and Football. We have done this multiple years...last time I checked we were the only major school to do this.

READ THE ARTICLE!!!(I should have used italics)

This is only about football.

 

[BB73]

Georgia needs to win the SEC more than 2-3 times every 25-30 years before they come thumping their chest's. In Basketball what happened?

The reason Michigan is rated so low is because they suck at Mens and Womens basketball. Heck they suck at football. They are like ND in that they are living off traditional coattails.

I read an article that showed that OSU was the first MAJOR...MAJOR DIV1 school to win conference championships in Mens and Womens basketball and Football. We have done this multiple years...last time I checked we were the only major school to do this.

To define major, I think tOSU is the only one to do that in the same year in a BCS Conference. I'm pretty sure it's been done by Utah and/or BYU. I made a post about that a couple of years ago.

But mercer's right - let's leave hoops out of this.

 

[brutus2002]

C'mon BB if I have to tell you what the major conferences are...are Utah and BYU in a major conference??? C'mon man.

 

[BigWoof31]

What this list doesn't take into account is that tOSU isn't platinum for everybody.

Great point - I couldn't agree more. Another great example would be Zook and Florida.
Not to mention that desireability is based largely on background. A coach from the midwest would be more likely to take a midwestern position...etc (with the exception of Urban, Les...etc).

 

[BigWoof31]

Georgia needs to win the SEC more than 2-3 times every 25-30 years before they come thumping their chest's. In Basketball what happened?

The reason Michigan is rated so low is because they suck at Mens and Womens basketball. Heck they suck at football. They are like ND in that they are living off traditional coattails.

I read an article that showed that OSU was the first MAJOR...MAJOR DIV1 school to win conference championships in Mens and Womens basketball and Football. We have done this multiple years...last time I checked we were the only major school to do this.

I thought the article was just in reference to the Head Coach (football) position. That other stuff is great - but sounds like it would be more applicable for Athletic Department candidates.

 

[MaxBuck]

Platinum:

Ohio State
Oklahoma
Texas
USC

si.com

Once again, the media shows their anti-Buckeye bias. :tic:




:gobucks3::gobucks4:

 

[BB73]

C'mon BB if I have to tell you what the major conferences are...are Utah and BYU in a major conference??? C'mon man.

You said 'major school', not 'major conference'. Some may have thought a "major Div 1 school" meant all FBS conferences, including the WAC and the Mountain West, since FCS schools are also Division 1. And I know they're both in the Mtn West now, but BYU and Utah were in the WAC until 1999.

Pardon the Hell outta me for clarifying exactly what your reference meant.

Here's my post from 2 years ago (I haven't checked if another team has done this since)

Back-to-back

1992-93 BYU shared the football crown with Fresno State and Hawai'i, men's basketball tied for the crown with Utah
1995-96 Utah shared the football crown with Air Force, BYU, and Colorado State
1999-00 Utah shared the football crown with BYU and Colorado State; men's basketball shared the regular season with UNLV
2003-04 Utah didn't win the basketball regular season (Air Force), but won the conference tournament

ozone.quotebook

Milestones: OSU's win over Wisconsin coupled with the OSU women's basketball team's win over Michigan in Ann Arbor gave OSU outright championships in both men's and women's basketball. The Buckeyes also won the outright Big Ten football championship as well to become the first school in NCAA history to win outright conference titles in those three sports in one sports year.

 

[jwinslow]

joe pa has two of the past four b10 titles
two national titles
five undefeated seasons
he could have/should have won titles in 94, 85, 69, 68
he has finished in the top five in the polls 13 times
top ten 29 times
won all four major bowls

And yet it's still not a top-2 job in the conference. Do you disagree with that?

I agree PSU is a very good position, I just think it's tough to say it belongs ahead of UM/ND, even with their current struggles.

Urban Meyer wouldn't consider leaving Florida for PSU. ND on the other hand...

Not to mention that desireability is based largely on background. A coach from the midwest would be more likely to take a midwestern position...etc (with the exception of Urban, Les...etc).

Most of the best coaches come from the midwest

 

[BigWoof31]

I agree PSU is a very good position, I just think it's tough to say it belongs ahead of UM/ND, even with their current struggles.

I've been through AA but haven't been to Happy Valley. From a recruit's standpoint - at least the girls are cuter in PA.

 

[OHSportsFan]

I'd say these are the key factors in rating the jobs (not necessarily in order):

- Chance to win a national title (helped by an ability to dominate a conference)
- A tradition of winning, long-term and recently
- Ability to recruit top talent (recruiting base/weather/NFL draftees)
- Commitment from the athletic department (facilities/treatment of coaches)

Not sure if this next line would fit under the part I bolded, but I'd have to think that pay/contract would be pretty important as far as a "top job" goes.

That is a lot of what a job search comes down to (for everyone, in every industry). Not everything, but it's definitely a factor.

Just wanted to add one, though this might have been what you mean with "treatment of coaches." :)

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

joe pa has two of the past four b10 titles - and a grand total of three in 16 Big Ten seasons
two national titles - over a 43-year span
five undefeated seasons - the last being 14 seasons ago
he could have/should have won titles in 94, 85, 69, 68 - their reward for not playing in a conference
he has finished in the top five in the polls 13 times - only twice since joining the Big Ten
top ten 29 times - five times since joining the big ten
won all four major bowls - over a 43-year span

Joe Pa hasn't been as dominant during his time in the Big Ten...