Defending yourself in your home

[osugrad21]

The Terminator: [In a gun shop] The 12 gauge autoloader.
Shopkeeper: [Passes him the gun] That's Italian, you can go pump or auto.
The Terminator: The .45 longslide, with laser sighting.
Shopkeeper: [Passes the Terminator the gun, the Terminator "plays" with it] These are brand new, we just got them in. That's a good gun. You just touch the trigger, the beam comes on and you put the red dot where you want the bullet to go, you can't miss. Anything else?
The Terminator: Phased plasma rifle in the 40 Watt range.
Shopkeeper: Hey, just what you see, pal.
The Terminator: The Uzi 9 mm.
Shopkeeper: [Passes him the gun, the terminator "plays" with the first gun] You know your weapons, buddy. Any one of these is ideal for home defense. So, uh, which'll it be?
The Terminator: All.

 

[OSUsushichic]

I have a vicious golden retriever and a fiance who has a 5th degree black belt. I feel pretty safe, even though I live in Bootytown. :)

 

[osugrad21]

I have a vicious golden retriever and a fiance who has a 5th degree black belt. I feel pretty safe, even though I live in Bootytown. :)

Manfred?

 

[Flocka]

I have a vicious golden retriever and a fiance who has a 5th degree black belt. I feel pretty safe, even though I live in Bootytown. :)

 

[Taosman]

Slightly used old Warsaw Pack assault weapons are the current rage. Like...say a Yugo 64($100-200). Of course if you have close neighbors a
double barrel 12 guage loaded with bird shot(not double O-ought for Cheeez sake) is very impressive!
Remember any shooting must take place in your house! You don't want some wounded perp suing you out of your worldly possessions!

 

[BUCKYLE]

Slightly used old Warsaw Pack assault weapons are the current rage. Like...say a Yugo 64($100-200). Of course if you have close neighbors a
double barrel 12 guage loaded with bird shot(not double O-ought for Cheeez sake) is very impressive!
Remember any shooting must take place in your house! You don't want some wounded perp suing you out of your worldly possessions!

Didnt' someone steal your shit out of your car?

 

[NFBuck]

Eh, me and the old lady live in very nice new subdivision on the east side of the Springs, but if anybody intruded, I'd fart in their general direction.

 

[souL]

Just a few days ago I had to beat a former friend turned herion addict with my roofing hammer. I invited him into my house four or celebration of Albert Hofmann's life and he stole from me.

If I would have realized what had happened THREE minutes earlier, I'd have likely beat him to death in my own home. If I would have noticed while he were in the house, pool ball + sock. if there's an actual home invader... pool stick, backup roofing hammer, and a battery powered shingling gun.

Best news is: he doesn't know who did it, and from what I hear he's got a long list of enemies. I hear he's having a hell of a time with withdrawal while he's in the hospital.

 

[Muck]

I would never forgive myself if one of my kids accidentally killed the other or him/herself with some shit I had laying around the house. It's a risk I'm unwilling to take as compared to the risk of my house being broken in to while I'm home.

Then you should be teaching them firearms safety now.

Those kids who find guns and shoot themselves or their friends? Their parents are the ones who portray firearms as a taboo subject and try to insulate their children.

If your kids find a firearm in the back alley they're far more likely to accidentally splatter their brains on the wall than one who realistically understands the dangers of a weapon.

The Terminator: The Uzi 9 mm.

It's just not the same without being able to hear Ahnold drawl out....Uuzee Nein Millie Meter

That also depends on your definition of kids. When my brothers were still little the guns would like be kept out of reach a bit more.. but by the time they are 12 and 13 most of them have killed deer or rabbits with those guns.. and in the case of My second youngest brother he hunts things like coyotes and foxes with his and has since he was about 11 id say.

I was allowed to keep my .22 in my room starting at around age 10-11 or so and my shotgun a couple of years later.

All my friends and I did some stupid shit as kids but we all knew our parents would beat the living hell out of us if we pointed a weapon at another human being.

double barrel 12 guage loaded with bird shot(not double O-ought for Cheeez sake) is very impressive!

Unfortunately bird shot does not produce a very deep wound channel even at close ranges and has a very strong possibility of producing a failure to stop when used against human beings.

#1 shot is the lightest that will consistently give you the minimum 12" penetration that is needed to reach the central nervous system without the risk of overpentration vs heavier loads.

Federal's "tactical" (reduced recoil) load is your best bet as well. 3" magnums aren't worth the extra recoil IMO.

You also want to make sure you pattern your shotgun with the same make/type of shells you want to use so that you know how the shot reacts once it leaves the barrel.

Remember the point is to put the rounds into the bad guy, not ramdomly spray them through your walls.

If you are absolutely wedded to using bird shot, at least have #1 as the second round in the weapon in case you need to shoot the individual again.

Just a few days ago I had to beat a former friend turned herion addict with my roofing hammer.

/snip/

Best news is: he doesn't know who did it, and from what I hear he's got a long list of enemies. I hear he's having a hell of a time with withdrawal while he's in the hospital.

:frown2:

Edit:

So how far would you go to defend your home and family?
Would you hope for the best and cooperate with the intruders?
Would you depend on the police?
Would you defend yourself if the opportunity arose, even with deadly force?

What would you do if one of your family members was being viciously assaulted?[/B]

Damnit BB use the QUOTE codes!

I didn't see this part originally because I thought it was part of the article. Then I about crapped myself at the thought that a newpaper would print those questions! lol

Anyways:
Cooperate with a criminal? If they aren't a threat and it would diffuse the situation.

Deadly force to protect property? No

Deadly force to protect someone's life? Absolutely

Depend on the police? How can you depend on someone who isn't there?

 

[Muck]

Home firearm defense 101:

1. Have a PLAN. Make sure everyone in your family knows the plan and practice it periodically.

Your primary objective should be protecting your family. Don't lose sight of that.

Your plan should consist of moving to an easily defended area in your house (preferably with only a single entrance/exit). Typically you should stay in or move to your bedroom. If you have children then moving to their location and hunkering down there is your best option.

Make sure there is a phone available in the area you are planning to defend.

Move to the area and make sure all family membes are accounted for. Move them to a corner, or behind a large piece of furniture so that they have cover and/or concealment from the point of ingress.

Place yourself in a position covering the door and sit tight. If the bad guys don't come in, don't go looking for them. Wait for the cops.

---Now in additional to your firearm make sure you've invested in a GOOD flashlight. By good I mean something that throws out 60+ Lumens of light and is comfortable for you to hold (Surefire, Pelican, Fenix, Pentagon, Streamlight & others all make quality lights...not to mention do it yourself mods for Maglites etc). Yes they are more expensive than a $3.99 Rayovac special and yes batteries cost more too. So what? Are your families lives not worth $100+ flashlight?

A good flashlight can be a weapon every bit as important as your firearm.

Leave your light off. If someone comes into the area of fire you are covering. Turn on the flashlight aiming it at their face.

Make sure you identify the target!!

Using the light in conjunction with your weapon gives you a couple of advantages. First it will disorient the individual you are aiming it at which places them at a disadvantange. Second, it gives you the opportunity to see exactly who/what the intruder is (in case it's a family member sneaking home late at night etc). Third it gives you a better sight picture in case you DO need to shoot.

---Again do not leave your defended area and go hunting for the intruder. Sitting in a defended position waiting for them gives YOU the advantage. Leaving to go wander the house places you on an even playing field with them. You don't want to have an even playing field. You want every advantage you can have.

Finally the most important thing is to train regularly with your weapon. Become familiar with it and it's capabilities. Build up proper muscle memory so you can employ it without thinking. Make sure you training includes situations that would be close to your real world 'plan'. Train in the dark, train with your light and Train with your family so everyone is on the same page.

Make sure your training is as close as you can to what you will be doing for real.

If you do decide to use a firearm as a home defense tool make sure you are serious about everything involved.

Buying a pistol and throwing it in your nightstand is stupid.

Learning to use it responsibly and training to make it part of your safety plan is not stupid.

 

[Taosman]

Remember kiddies; Shooting anyone is the LAST RESORT! Even using a tool like a hammer or wrench looks better in court.​

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

Then you should be teaching them firearms safety now.

Those kids who find guns and shoot themselves or their friends? Their parents are the ones who portray firearms as a taboo subject and try to insulate their children.

If your kids find a firearm in the back alley they're far more likely to accidentally splatter their brains on the wall than one who realistically understands the dangers of a weapon.

I see. You're right. I can't tell my kids guns are dangerous and teach them about them unless they're all over my house. My bad.

No thanks. I'll go on about my business as is thank you.

 

[craigblitz]

I firmly believe kids should be taught how to use firearms correctly and have respect for their power and ultimately the end result of what can happen when the trigger is pulled.

Having said that, I see no need to have a gun in every room in the house, etc. That is just asking for trouble IMO. In Muck's post it highlights some very good things... Get to an area where there is one entry exit, a phone etc and stay there.

BKB - I know where you are coming from thinking something bad like this will never happen to me. The odds are just to small for the change to have a gun in the house etc. I don't have enemies, I live in a great neighborhood, etc, but bad shi* happens even to the best people in the best neighborhoods. I feel the same way, but the thought of my kids being hurt or lady being raped because I didn't properly prepare to defend them makes me ill. Even the smallest of odds of something happening is worth it to me to train them on gun safety, where there guns are in the house, and what to do in an emergency. As distorted as it may seem, having adequate protection in the house is like insurance for my families saftey. I insure my useless things like tvs etc, I certainly feel the need to do the same for their saftey.

 

[Muck]

I see. You're right. I can't tell my kids guns are dangerous and teach them about them unless they're all over my house. My bad.

Do me a favor and don't put words in my mouth.

No one is saying you should leave unsecured weapons around your house. Giving anecdotal accounts about how it was when they were growing up doesn't mean that's the best option, it just illustrates that homes with firearms aren't the deathtraps you imply.

For firearm safety like anything else education is the primary factor in preventing injuries.

Do you have the same attitude about alcohol or sex ed when it comes to your kids?

No thanks. I'll go on about my business as is thank you.

You're the one who came into the thread with a chip on your shoulder.

Next time leave the attitude at the door if you don't want it in return....especially when talking about something about which you show little knowledge.

Whether you like it or not if your children have never received instruction in firearm safety then they are in a higher risk group if they do come into contact with a weapon while unsupervised than children who have been familiarized with firearms. Period.

 

[scooter1369]

Do me a favor and don't put words in my mouth.

No one is saying you should leave unsecured weapons around your house. Giving anecdotal accounts about how it was when they were growing up doesn't mean that's the best option, it just illustrates that homes with firearms aren't the deathtraps you imply.

For firearm safety like anything else education is the primary factor in preventing injuries.

Do you have the same attitude about alcohol or sex ed when it comes to your kids?



You're the one who came into the thread with a chip on your shoulder.

Next time leave the attitude at the door if you don't want it in return....especially when talking about something about which you show little knowledge.

Whether you like it or not if your children have never received instruction in firearm safety then they are in a higher risk group if they do come into contact with a weapon while unsupervised than children who have been familiarized with firearms. Period.

Now BB can shoot little whipper snappers for being on his lawn and then drag them into the kitchen and claim self defense.