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DE Noah Spence (Official Thread)

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ysubuck said:
Exactly. At this point I would think that football falls somewhere well below "being able to function normally in day to day life" on the list.
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I agree with that, but a stud football player like Spence is planning on going to the NFL. Yes he needs to get clean first and that if the FIRST priority, but then he's probably planning on going back to football. To get there he needs to play college ball, so this rule forces him into a more stressful world of transferring and leaving any support structure he has. He'll also get away from those that led him down this rabbit hole, but that should be more a decision of the student and his family, not the conference forcing him to transfer. As of right now he has to transfer if you assume he wants to play football at the next level, and that's not up to him or his family. This is making the assumption the he still, in the end, has a desire to play in the NFL. I'm just saying that in an attempt to keep a high standard for the student athletes, the big ten could on occasion cause more distress to a student.
 
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The thing I don't know is if the B1G tested him again and he failed? They said he violated a B1G rule but didn't say if he was actually tested for it. Maybe he just admitted it to the staff or they did internal testing. I know that is not likely the case, I am just saying it has not been confirmed.
 
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Sounds like he is ineligible to play in the BiG at this point. Not sure if he'd stick around and get his degree or transfer out into a different conference and play football. I don't believe at this point it's an NCAA rule that he's ineligible. He's basically done on this football team though and that sucks for Buckeyes.
 
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Bestbuck36 said:
Sounds like he is ineligible to play in the BiG at this point. Not sure if he'd stick around and get his degree or transfer out into a different conference and play football. I don't believe at this point it's an NCAA rule that he's ineligible. He's basically done on this football team though and that sucks for Buckeyes.
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I'm not sure of the procedure, but if there is a possibility of appealing within the B1G I would assume tOSU might consider that as an option. Because of that I would not rule Spence out as never returning. Of course, that would require Spence owning up to his problem and seeking help. I don't think it's a high probability, but I'm not sure I'm ready to say he's done. Most importantly, I hope he overcomes his demons and they don't ruin the rest of his life.
 
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Onebuckfan said:
Obviously he LIED after the first time..and he's still lying to himself, his parents, his coaches etc. The questions need to be asked but I can't believe this second positive was a surprise to anyone close to Noah. SAD!!
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How do you figure that he's lying to himself, his parents, and his coaches? Himself, his parents, and his coaches sat down in a meeting where he admitted to lying the first time, and admitted that he needs help.
 
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BuckeyeNation27 said:
How do you figure that he's lying to himself, his parents, and his coaches? Himself, his parents, and his coaches sat down in a meeting where he admitted to lying the first time, and admitted that he needs help.
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Yea he clearly lied about the first test, but idk how you could say he's still currently lying. Gotta think he's done at OSU. Will probably find out more soon, maybe even the next week or two, but given the reported B1G rules of permanent suspension on your 2nd offense it'd have to be a technicality like OSU administered this test and the B1G has to administer the test for that rule to apply.
 
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UpNorth_Buckeye said:
Yea he clearly lied about the first test, but idk how you could say he's still currently lying. Gotta think he's done at OSU. Will probably find out more soon, maybe even the next week or two, but given the reported B1G rules of permanent suspension on your 2nd offense it'd have to be a technicality like OSU administered this test and the B1G has to administer the test for that rule to apply.
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We've seen stranger anomalies in B1G drug testing rules.
 
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http://buckeyextra.dispatch.com/con...hio-state-kent-state/ohio-state-notebook.html

“I want to apologize to my family, Ohio State’s coaching staff, the Big Ten Conference and Buckeye Nation for the disappointment,” Spence wrote in a text message to The Dispatch. “I will work extremely hard to get healthy and to one day use this unfortunate situation to be a positive role model for others.”

Spence’s parents said he will enter a treatment and counseling program for his addiction as he continues at Ohio State. They are hopeful that, through the appeal process, he might regain eligibility for at least his senior season.
 
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UpNorth_Buckeye said:
Yea he clearly lied about the first test, but idk how you could say he's still currently lying. Gotta think he's done at OSU. Will probably find out more soon, maybe even the next week or two, but given the reported B1G rules of permanent suspension on your 2nd offense it'd have to be a technicality like OSU administered this test and the B1G has to administer the test for that rule to apply.
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FWIW, I hope not. It looked like he came out of the tunnel with the team yesterday. A couple players came out at the end just wearing a jersey (and street clothes), one was #8. I couldn't positively verify (i.e. read/see) the name on the back being up in C deck, but it did look like it was Spense.

Re: Noah is the youngest of four sons born to Helen and Greg Spence, and the couple also has five adopted sons ... the siblings include Ray, Rod, Greg, Malcolm, Alonzo, Alex, Noah, Tariq and Marqus ... Noah's father played football at North Carolina State and an uncle, Phil, was a standout basketball player for the Wolfpack and played on the school's 1974 national championship team.

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he is a two-time OSU Scholar-Athlete and an Academic All-Big Ten Conference honoree who is majoring in communications.

http://www.ohiostatebuckeyes.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/noah_spence_807679.html

I have to believe that Noah comes from a very good home, has 2 supportive parents, is basically a good kid, and (with the help/support of family, friends, coaches, and medical personnel) will get his life turned around. He may or may not play this year; however, I honestly do expect to see him on the field next year (2015 season) and actually graduate from Ohio State in 2016. And this is coming from me (ScriptOhio) who is probably one of the biggest pessimists on Buckeye Planet.
 
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ysubuck said:
I'm just not very sensitive to the addiction issue. I bristle at the "disease" moniker because addiction is something that can be avoided unlike, say, cancer. Noah never had to try whatever it is he tried in order to become an addict. He chose to do that. To me that's a stupid choice. I think any honest addict would agree that they have made some stupid choices in life. I'm sorry if I offended anyone but that's how I feel about this particular topic.
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Obviously it's not like cancer. Something that "happens to you". There is a voluntary/participatory factor to substance abuse. Though on a social commentary, I'd posit it's comparable to heart disease or diabetes for those at risk due to obesity, another participatory cycle that is extremely hard to break once started.
That said, once somebody is trapped in that cycle it is very difficult to break out of and generally requires a lot of structure and support. I hope Noah finds that, whether it's at Ohio State or back with his family or some combination of both.
 
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