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DE Noah Spence (Official Thread)

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I hope the kid gets the help he needs. Addiction is something not understood by all. Its a different animal for everyone that deals with it. I hope he's strong enough to get through this and get his life back on track. I'm glad OSU is standing by him trying to help him with his parents. I wish the kid the best of luck.
 
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Dryden said:
Both failed drug tests point to Molly (MDMA), which isn't as easy as passing the water bong around the circle or excusing yourself from the party. He needs professional help to recover.
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The worst part is how rapidly this drug deteriorates your brain compared to other drugs out there...if you use it alot you can become almost like a zombie...you just seem constantly depressed...reason being is the drug is designed to release the endorphins that make you happy and you are basically overworking that part of the brain so the following next few days you are very sad because your bain is trying to work back up those endorphins that make you feel happy again...I am not ashamed to say I used this drug recorationally back in 2001-2002 maybe up to 5 times...i tried Molly and the pill form that were named after whatever logo was on the pill "Mitstubishi" "Rolex" etc...the scary part about that is, you have no idea what else is cut in the pill...could be meth, could be cocaine, could be mescaline...who knows what someone would put in there...most commonly it would be cocaine or meth because the high will start to hit you quicker if it is cut with an amphetamine (what Welker got busted for...whatever he took it was cut with a upper)...so back to Spence...Either he has the worst luck in the world and he got busted twice when he had drug tests and that was it (doubt it)...or he has a real problem where is doing this all the time...I am most worried about his mental psyche from this drug overall...it can permanently ruin your ability to create feelings of sadness or happiness and in relation to football, who wants a player on the team that no longer has any passion? I hope for Spence he gets all the help he needs because this is beyond football at this point
 
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Coqui said:
Except there's no conclusive studies that say MDMA is addictive.
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It's a chemical, it rots the brain and people still go out of their way to use it. It may not be truly addictive, but it keeps these people going back to it. You might call it something different, but I'd call that addictive. Maybe not the chemical, but certainly the high.
 
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TampaBuckeyes said:
Agreed, that is why the rule mentioned above is confusing. I understand for PEDs, but with the hardcore recreational drugs it's more about working with them to help get them off of it. Give them a goal, and let them stick around where they're at if it's a good support structure and the family wants to. This pretty much forces him to move to a new school, adding more stress to his life.
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If you're into the drugs to the point where you keep failing drug tests, football is just not a priority.
 
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ysubuck said:
I'm just not very sensitive to the addiction issue. I bristle at the "disease" moniker because addiction is something that can be avoided unlike, say, cancer. Noah never had to try whatever it is he tried in order to become an addict. He chose to do that. To me that's a stupid choice. I think any honest addict would agree that they have made some stupid choices in life. I'm sorry if I offended anyone but that's how I feel about this particular topic.
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stupid choices =/= stupid people

people of all levels of intelligence make stupid decisions. However, Noah could not keep his system straight and went back to the drug again. Clearly there's a problem and I doubt it has much to do with intelligence.
 
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Mike80 said:
stupid choices =/= stupid people

people of all levels of intelligence make stupid decisions. However, Noah could not keep his system straight and went back to the drug again. Clearly there's a problem and I doubt it has much to do with intelligence.
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Agreed. I honestly didn't mean he is a stupid person. He did make a stupid choice to begin using in the first place.
 
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Honestly, I think the responsibility is on the kid to stay clean especially that he is an athlete playing for a scholarship and he could be wasting a very good NFL career. However, in this case with a second time offense, I believe the university failed him and his parents. When you bring these kids in, you tell their parents you will take care of them as if you were their parents. I am sure the athletic department has some kind of social support group. Whoever was put in charge of looking over Spence needs to lose his or her job. If no action was taken to make sure it did not happen again and embarress the university, and ruin the kids life by not giving him the strongest help possible, Gene Smith would need to lose his job and Urban needs to be repremended. If the university did try everything in their power to help him and he failed himself, then it's his loss. But I don't believe they have because if I was in charge of such a case, I would be testing the kid every week or twice week if that's what it took. I would know the minute he uses anything and I will kick his ass and call his parents and I would keep doing that until he stays clean, and then stay on him all through his career at OSU. Overpaid and underachieving leadership, that's all I can conclude.
 
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Wham said:
Honestly, I think the responsibility is on the kid to stay clean especially that he is an athlete playing for a scholarship and he could be wasting a very good NFL career. However, in this case with a second time offense, I believe the university failed him and his parents. When you bring these kids in, you tell their parents you will take care of them as if you were their parents. I am sure the athletic department has some kind of social support group. Whoever was put in charge of looking over Spence needs to lose his or her job. If no action was taken to make sure it did not happen again and embarress the university...
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How? Was the monitor or university supposed to watch him 24/7? Lock him in his dorm for other than classes and football practice? He's a frickin' adult now and is 100% responsible for his actions...
 
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Wham said:
Honestly, I think the responsibility is on the kid to stay clean especially that he is an athlete playing for a scholarship and he could be wasting a very good NFL career. However, in this case with a second time offense, I believe the university failed him and his parents. When you bring these kids in, you tell their parents you will take care of them as if you were their parents. I am sure the athletic department has some kind of social support group. Whoever was put in charge of looking over Spence needs to lose his or her job. If no action was taken to make sure it did not happen again and embarress the university, and ruin the kids life by not giving him the strongest help possible, Gene Smith would need to lose his job and Urban needs to be repremended. If the university did try everything in their power to help him and he failed himself, then it's his loss. But I don't believe they have because if I was in charge of such a case, I would be testing the kid every week or twice week if that's what it took. I would know the minute he uses anything and I will kick his ass and call his parents and I would keep doing that until he stays clean, and then stay on him all through his career at OSU. Overpaid and underachieving leadership, that's all I can conclude.
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This is nonsense.
 
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This is really disappointing. I guess probably he never plays another down at Ohio State.

Anyone, who has had someone close with substance abuse problems, knows that this kid is not completely in control of his behavior. No addict is.

Still, I'm with Mili. Nothing will go right for this kid until he (a) owns up to the reality of his problem, (b) seeks help, and (c) takes responsibility for his role in his own recovery.
 
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