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bucknut502
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What exactly is your point? Because I am reading your comments and I see that you list 5 CB's saying that only one starter was produced? I list a gang of 2 and 3 stars that all became starters back in the mid 2000's, including one who was an all american CB who is a Safety in the NFL. At some point, we have to look at coaching (scheme/system)
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Again, you can’t go three consecutive recruiting classes with a grand total of one guy who’s ready to play the position.
Names from the past are irrelevant to this conversation.
Names from the past are irrelevant to this conversation.
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The point is that Goodwin is another in a disturbing trend of 5 star OT swings and misses. The 2020 secondary was used as a cautionary tale of what happens 2-3 years down the road to a position that has a bad recruiting cycle and some attrition.
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Was this in response to me? Because that doesn’t actually address what I said.
Again, I think the issue could rear its head this year or next. But in 2020, recruiting misses weren’t the issue for the pass defense. The only guy who could’ve been considered a plan B guy is the guy who played more than any of them except Shaun Wade in 2019. But he got hurt in the 2nd game.
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The guy who went down had no depth around him. Another stud miss started for Bama in the NC game. There are many others
Recruiting misses and attrition were THE reason the 20 secondary was such a mess.
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Again, I thought it was lack of spring and fall camp that was the reason for the bad pass defense?
The depth around Cam Brown was Shaun Wade and Sevyn Banks. The issue was with the rotation. Not the personnel. Who should not have played last year?
It’s kind of hilarious that we’re supposed to believe that the majority of OSU’s DB’s last year were devoid of talent. Cam Brown being out didn’t make Shaun Wade lose almost every 50/50 ball thrown his way.
I mean, I guess Jordan Battle is technically considered a miss. But who missed him? There was no defensive coach.
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No one said they were devoid of talent. They were playing before they were ready because of a 0-fer class, the kid that went to Bama, the kid that went to Utah and the two kids who were thrown off the team etc etc.
3 year run of sub par recruiting and serious attrition left you with what we saw in ‘20. Could happen at OT in a couple of years if he doesn’t start landing some of the guys at the top of the list.
that’s the point
3 year run of sub par recruiting and serious attrition left you with what we saw in ‘20. Could happen at OT in a couple of years if he doesn’t start landing some of the guys at the top of the list.
that’s the point
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NastyNatiBuck
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I have to think the new NCAA transfer rules will provide opportunities to bridge the gap.
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Along with the recruiting 0-for in the 2019 class, the injuries, and the guys dropped due to their inexcusable actions; I think it’s worth noting that the combination of a coaching change and limited practice time and fewer actual games due to Covid amplified the issues with the 2020 secondary.
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If you don’t agree with the example I gave then nothing I can say is going to change your mind. That’s your prerogative.
I stand by the actual point of all this, that upstream recruiting misses can have significant down stream affects. If you don’t agree with that one either, it really doesn’t matter.
I’m done with this one.
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I am thinking the issue with the gap as discussed was the absence of a secondary coach who really gave a damn. It definitely hurt us last year and I think most people would agree we are better off in the long run without the DC of Okie. Stud doesn’t remotely fit that bill. We may miss on some 5 stars and that is not desirable but we will not get skunked as we did at CB. Stud has also shown the ability to coach up a unit.
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You never provided an example. In 2 or 3 other posts I’m asking who played last year that shouldn’t have. You didn’t respond to that question.
I’ve said multiple times that the DB recruiting issue will rear its head this year or next. I’m explicitly talking about you blaming recruiting losses for last year’s horrendous defense. That’s untrue.
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Anyone not named wade would have had kids from the missing class, the two that got kicked off the team or the Bama kid or Utah kid ahead of them more than likely.
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