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Damon Wilson (DL Georgia, transfer to Mizzou)

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ShowMeBuck said:
That is the difference between a natty and a set of steak knives.
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Captain Buckeye said:
But it's OK "we don't want to play that game"... even though the top schools are doing it and there's nothing illegal about it.
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Texas A+M has an NFL payroll and finished with a losing record, while Michigan and TCU are in the playoffs with players that no one wanted to buy.

There's a right way and a wrong to conduct business, and throwing money at people is almost always the wrong way.
 
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LordJeffBuck said:
Texas A+M has an NFL payroll and finished with a losing record, while Michigan and TCU are in the playoffs with players that no one wanted to buy.

There's a right way and a wrong to conduct business, and throwing money at people is almost always the wrong way.
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That program is led by someone named Jimbo. Anyone doubt someone like Saban would organize a pay for play more effectively?

We all forget this is year 2 of this (only one off season of it) and eventually a few programs will provide a blue print on how to pay these kids huge sums of money without the program imploding. Once that happens it'll be really hard to beat those teams.
 
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LordJeffBuck said:
There's a right way and a wrong to conduct business, and throwing money at people is almost always the wrong way.
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Perhaps in social situations, you would have a stronger point. But college football has turned into a business, first and foremost. Money will be the 1st, 2nd and 3rd biggest factors in coaching and recruiting success now.

I'm not fond of A&M, but Texas oil money will eventually land them a quality coach much like it has bought their recent recruiting classes. This is only a matter of time.
 
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If you have bad culture, in any type of organization, throwing money at people to join it will not be enough to cover up the bad culture completely.

That said, if you are competing for talent in any endeavor, in a sellers market, you are going to have to use money to attract that talent to some degree or another.

In that regard this really isn't anything new. Kids have been getting impermissible benefits since this all started. The only thing new is the numbers are bigger and it's out in the open so everyone sees it.

The organizational skill that needs to be developed is putting a dollar sign on the muscle (as Branch Rickey used to call it). How much will it take to get a guy and is he worth it. It's a professional sport now-those who develop the lead in this will win, those who don't (or don't have any money to put on the muscle) will fall behind.
 
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Coaches have to have a handle on everything..I think coaches need to be aware that the year players become draft eligible you may need to have tremendous two way communication. You might assume third year players should be locked in to culture etc. You need to be ready for those guys to have a different motivation and be listening to outside voices than the voices inside the program.
 
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Onebuckfan said:
Coaches have to have a handle on everything..I think coaches need to be aware that the year players become draft eligible you may need to have tremendous two way communication. You might assume third year players should be locked in to culture etc. You need to be ready for those guys to have a different motivation and be listening to outside voices than the voices inside the program.
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Pantoni's role is going to have to expand in this new environment imo. That role is going to need a staff because you are going to have to know the market for possible acquisition and defections. You'll need some sort of "net talent level" metric and doing all that is well beyond the capacity of one guy watching endless hours of film.

Related to that-one thing I could see happening almost instantly is a big shake up in the recruiting rankings world as we've known it up to this point. Landing a top 5 class is almost a dead metric for success already. Why over pay for all that new HS talent when you can fill so many gaps with transfers? Then, how do you start measuring the real "value" of a transfer? He isn't that 3 star from HS anymore. He's turned into something else now. How they start to put the value on these guys will be interesting to see. It might be an opportunity for a PFF type organization to muscle in on the current HS recruiting ranking business.

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Should we start putting these more general posts about recruiting in the main recruiting thread? There are some interesting conversations that I'd hate to lose sight of because it's in some kids thread who never comes here.
 
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Jaxbuck said:
Pantoni's role is going to have to expand in this new environment imo. That role is going to need a staff because you are going to have to know the market for possible acquisition and defections. You'll need some sort of "net talent level" metric and doing all that is well beyond the capacity of one guy watching endless hours of film.

Related to that-one thing I could see happening almost instantly is a big shake up in the recruiting rankings world as we've known it up to this point. Landing a top 5 class is almost a dead metric for success already. Why over pay for all that new HS talent when you can fill so many gaps with transfers? Then, how do you start measuring the real "value" of a transfer? He isn't that 3 star from HS anymore. He's turned into something else now. How they start to put the value on these guys will be interesting to see. It might be an opportunity for a PFF type organization to muscle in on the current HS recruiting ranking business.
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We were counting heavily on JSN we needed Fleming to bust out or prepare a freshman to be ready.
 
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LordJeffBuck said:
Texas A+M has an NFL payroll and finished with a losing record, while Michigan and TCU are in the playoffs with players that no one wanted to buy.

There's a right way and a wrong to conduct business, and throwing money at people is almost always the wrong way.
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Counter point: doing business the Michigan and TCU way is not a sustainable model for CFB either. There is a difference between getting to the playoffs and winning the playoffs.

So there needs to be a balance. I think OSU is attempting to find that balance, but there needs to be a better sense of urgency.
 
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