Obviously. But the amount of freaking out since Nov 26th is over the top.
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I've been saying, 2 straight losses in The Game have made some in the fan bases exceptionally irrational. You would've thought that we root for Rutgers or Nebraska if one were to only look at BP(as well as Bucknuts, Dotting the Eyes/Rivals and Buckeye Huddle) from the late afternoon of November 26 to present.
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Diego-Bucks
Lost in Canada
I get the sense that a portion of the fanbase is having a collective cycle of anxiety attacks since the loss to Michigan. It's disheartening to be on the forum these days for a team that has had insane success.
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Likewise, falling short of a NC will not change the smug arrogance of a certain portion of the fanbase from looking down their noses at all the people they consider to be too negative/freaking out/not a good fan.
Some people are going to bitch about what's happening then another group is going to bitch about the bitching.
Nothing has really changed in the 20 some odd years I've been around sports message boards.
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RuGettinIt
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Where else you gonna get a chance to hang out with folks like Tibor, Donny, or DiHard???
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The rhetoric right now is on par if not harsher than Nebraska boards in September. That's the absurd part.
Ever since Nov 2021, there has been a widespread addiction to self-trolling of OSU using the mockery you'd expect from Michigan fans. The gleeful adoption of "third base" is something else.
Michigan has not had an outright NC in 74 years.
OSU is hoping for their 3rd in 20 years, and 2nd in 8 years.
If OSU pulls it off, it will be viewed as a satisfactory but flawed season, with continuing trepidation about the future. That's a joyless, fun-free world view.
If OSU loses to the new king of CFB:
- Many will call for burning the thing to the ground (or a large portion of it), because they're only in the top-5 of CFB and not top-2.
- Surely that's a wise and not at all short sighted or emotional response.
It's definitely not the byproduct of:
- Following CFB during the most imbalanced era of the sport
- Feeling shamed by the greatest dynasty in CFB history in Bama, and the new giant that may have unseated them
- And adopting the Disney perspective about what success is in this era
Priorities and loyalities have changed wildly in a decade. Troy Smith would be loathed by this fanbase if he played like that in 2016. Off field blunders / play costing them Texas/PSU ? Then a redemptive year as a senior only to get humiliated by the SEC (before we had PTSD/Disney to make us hate that more)? He would not be viewed nearly as fondly. But back then beating Michigan was still enough to be loved. JT Barrett came a decade too late for that love.
OSU & Day have a lot of flaws that exist before and after this game. Behaving like the world has ended a few days before their chance to erase them all does not support those criticisms. It turns them into clownish cartoons instead of legitimate critiques to address.
CFB and message boards have never been about being reasonable.
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The number one goal of the program is to beat tsun. Day has failed to do that two years in a row and is taking heat for it. tsun's NC failings don't do anything to diminish Day's failure the past two years.
Any season you lose to tsun is flawed. That's just the way it is. Who cares about fun filled world views? Why does that even come up?
The calls to "burn it to the ground" have a lot more behind them than simply losing to UGA. Losing the upper hand in the Rivalry is chief amongst them, roster construction outside of the WR room, management of the portal and NIL are all topics people discuss frequently. Trying to act like calls for Day's head are only a result of an emotional outburst after losing to UGA is pretty disingenuous.
Success in this era is the same as any other. Beat tsun. Day is failing to do that. He's catching heat. No Disney ad men needed.
Pure conjecture on your part. You are creating an argument no one is making.
Where are you coming up with this? JT was 4-0 in The Game and was universally praised for it.
Talking about Day's flaws is just part of the conversation around OSU football. Timing means nothing because nothing we say here has any impact on the program.
I see legitimate critiques met with incessant judgement of the poster's world view not being positive enough, being broken, being spoiled, not supporting the boys at this critical time etc. Clownish judgmental, holier than thou cartoons indeed.
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If we're living in such isolated pods that you're shocked at the notion that a LOT of buckeye fans disliked JT Barrett, then we're not going to have much to speak about.
Let me know how burning it to the ground works out.
Surely OSU will fire it's way to another legendary michigan slayer. That's the birthright and probable outcome. Firing cooper will always yield a Tressel. A crippling scandal (and NC canceller) will surely produce an Urban Meyer. When he melts down, his predecessor will... (and you'd argue he can't, which gets back to my point).
Setting aside the remarkable fortune of those failures turned into monsters. None of those were burned to the ground, in fact the nearly immediate titles were won on the foundation that was there, with some new energy.
As for this notion the roster construction is trash outside of Hartline, that's an emotional response to the recruiting misses down the stretch. The recruiting at WR is absolutely insane, and nothing that Georgia could dream of doing across 3 classes combined, let alone in one, and it's something he does all the time. That doesn't make the rest garbage.
A program not being the greatest dynasty in the history of CFB does not make it a failure.
A different position not being the greatest run of WRs maybe ever does not make it unnacceptable.
There's plenty of talent at QB, WR, DE, LB, CB, and S. Some of those are absurdly talented (QB, WR, DE). RB is oddly both a problem but simultaneously ok next season. OL is an issue. DT could be better. And RB is by far the easiest position to fix, and do so with brand new bodies.
The rhetoric is as though he's pulling a Jim Harbaugh when it comes to recruiting high schoolers. The recruiting is very good on average, and firmly #3 nationally. They need to adapt to the future for NIL and other areas, but McCord, Brown, Henderson, Hayden, Marvin, Egbuka, Tate, Inniss, Rogers, Thurman, Jackson, JTT, Sawyer, Moore, Hicks, Styles, Johnson, Hancock, Simpson-Hunt, Matthews are still here. Harbaugh would never attempt to bring in most of those guys.
At some point generational talents and production cannot be the expectation, and the absurd run that Urban and Day gave people has distorted reality:
DE Bosa (Spence) should lead to Bosa should lead to Young (let alone Hubbard, Lewis, etc in the shadows) should lead to more of the same. When it doesn't, it's a disaster. As seen by talking about the DE room like it's constructed poorly with Harrison, Sawyer, JTT & Curry in it. It's being constructed a lot like those other years, it's just not performing/developing like it needs to.
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Those are absolutely ridiculous runs of talent that have destroyed realistic expectations.
If Urban doesn't get canned by the BoT, that run ends with Tathan. Instead Day rescued them with Fields, Stroud, Brown/McCord. There's no reason to think there won't be another monster coming behind them. And if somehow some normalcy follows instead, it's not reasonable to view that as the end of all things.
Like how it's viewed right now with Stroud.
Because these aren't the cincinnati reds or Nebraska cornhuskers. The rhetoric and fun should not be similar.
Particularly not when the hypothetical involves a NC win in the next two weeks.
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I guess you are going to have to define "burning it to the ground" because it was your statement, not mine. I have said that I don't think Day is the guy and while there is always risk with replacing a coach, I think the risk of leaving him in place to continue the decline is greater.
The nonsensical sarcasm about "surely OSU will fire itself into another.." doesn't really help have any kind of legitimate conversation. I never said anything that simplistic.
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Onebuckfan
classof76
Discussions about Days ability to be a top 5 HC is not just fanatical message board fodder. Million dollar sports analysts have negative opinions about Day all the time ..while professing their love for Smart,Saban, Kelly, Riley and Harbaugh. Most of what is said here is the concerns on the National Stage not the cocoon of Columbus Ohio.
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RuGettinIt
Fresh Sarcasm Served Daily
Where were they on Harbaugh up until last year? He was being crucified no less than Day. Smart finally broke through last year. What Championships has Kelley or Riley won? Saban is really the only person in that statement that warrants current respect.
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1926Buckeyes
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JT was routinely roasted for his mediocre arm and inability to win big games. It became a regular talking point that OSU would've had no chance at an NC with him instead of Cardale in '14, and that he held the program back in '16 & '17. Before these last two years, 70% of the fan base took beating TTUN for granted and saw beating Bama and Clemson as the measuring stick.
He also may have started 2017 at TTUN, but Haskins and John O'Korne had as much or more to do with an OSU win as JTB.
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