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Coronavirus (COVID-19) is too exciting for adults to discuss (CLOSED)

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Steve19 said:
I just don't understand the absolute clown show in the US in response to this pandemic. I am living in Africa. Africa. About one-fifth of the population living in urban slums, cheek by jowl. The country geared up four weeks ago. Here is what has happened.
  • About one-fifth of the population have been examined and screened by trained healthcare staffers. The examinations identified about 4% of those examined who required coronavirus tests and lab work.
  • The confirmed infections in South Africa is about 181 people per million.
  • The US, the UK, Spain, Italy and Singapore have between 2 400 and 4 600 coronavirus cases per million people.
The US is less than 5% of the world's population, yet it has 28% of COVID-19 related deaths and 32% of COVID-19 cases.

It is not possible to argue that these things are being over-reported in the US because, as I illustrate above, South Africa is exceeding the US along these lines. If you had told me twenty years ago that this was going to happen, I would have been willing to bet everything I owned that the US would be at less than half the incidence rate for deaths and infections.

That several of you seem to want to wish this away or claim it is not as bad as it seems is beyond me. Please take care of yourselves. Please.

https://www.news24.com/Analysis/what-you-need-to-know-9-main-points-from-ramaphosas-speech-20200513

Edit: And who cares what Greta Thunberg might have to say about this. Your news service from the left and right is absolutely appalling.
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Watch the 1987 movie Robocop. It pretty much foreshadows what much of the U.S. now is.

buckeyebri said:
IMHO it boils down to a lack of leadership at the Federal level. Not to go political, but you can blame Trump and you can blame Congress both. It’s a total shit show at the Federal level. Follow that down to the State level and it’s more of the same. Yes, there are some States Leadership doing good things, but it is inconsistent at best. Now you have various levels of government coming up with their own rules.

Then you have the media, all of which have their own agendas. It’s become increasingly harder to wade through the stream of information coming out and decipher what may or may not be valid.

it’s an abomination that the US is unable to produce the necessary masks, tests, drugs, ventilators, etc. that we need to fight this. What happened to the ventilator that Dyson designed and built in ~10 days?

It’s a total shameful clusterfuck...

And yes Fuck Greta, she can piss off...
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"We the people" reward assholes. It's hard to tell how much of the federal dysfunction is chicken and how much is egg.
 
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Steve19 said:
I just don't understand the absolute clown show in the US in response to this pandemic. I am living in Africa. Africa. About one-fifth of the population living in urban slums, cheek by jowl. The country geared up four weeks ago. Here is what has happened.
  • About one-fifth of the population have been examined and screened by trained healthcare staffers. The examinations identified about 4% of those examined who required coronavirus tests and lab work.
  • The confirmed infections in South Africa is about 181 people per million.
  • The US, the UK, Spain, Italy and Singapore have between 2 400 and 4 600 coronavirus cases per million people.
The US is less than 5% of the world's population, yet it has 28% of COVID-19 related deaths and 32% of COVID-19 cases.

It is not possible to argue that these things are being over-reported in the US because, as I illustrate above, South Africa is exceeding the US along these lines. If you had told me twenty years ago that this was going to happen, I would have been willing to bet everything I owned that the US would be at less than half the incidence rate for deaths and infections.

That several of you seem to want to wish this away or claim it is not as bad as it seems is beyond me. Please take care of yourselves. Please.

https://www.news24.com/Analysis/what-you-need-to-know-9-main-points-from-ramaphosas-speech-20200513

Edit: And who cares what Greta Thunberg might have to say about this. Your news service from the left and right is absolutely appalling.
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I think what you're seeing in the US is the nexus of an unmatched arrogance being lead by unmatched incompetence.
 
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Steve19 said:
That several of you seem to want to wish this away or claim it is not as bad as it seems is beyond me. Please take care of yourselves. Please.
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AIDS would like a word.

BTW, I don't disagree with you, so let me get that out of the way. It's a developed world thing, and a seasonal temperature thing IMO. According to the data, most of the spreading in the US has taken place via an indoor/contained environment. Viruses just thrive in refrigerated environments, which is why it has spread like wildfire in our meat packing industry. Many of our southern states have had the least amount of restrictions, yet have had the best success at case and death rates, as they have much warmer environments than up north. Europe, which can be more readily compared to the US is doing much much worse, and many of their countries have had true quarantines. Most of their larger countries have double the death rate compared to the US. Again, we could be doing much better, but Europe would be a better barometer of our success, or lack thereof.
 
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heisman said:
AIDS would like a word.

BTW, I don't disagree with you, so let me get that out of the way. It's a developed world thing, and a seasonal temperature thing IMO. According to the data, most of the spreading in the US has taken place via an indoor/contained environment. Viruses just thrive in refrigerated environments, which is why it has spread like wildfire in our meat packing industry. Many of our southern states have had the least amount of restrictions, yet have had the best success at case and death rates, as they have much warmer environments than up north. Europe, which can be more readily compared to the US is doing much much worse, and many of their countries have had true quarantines. Most of their larger countries have double the death rate compared to the US. Again, we could be doing much better, but Europe would be a better barometer of our success, or lack thereof.
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The recirculation of air in office and apartment buildings/schools is a BIG problem!

This is why no one will want to fly without a Hazmat suit.

Places that rely on "tourism" as the basis of their economies better reinvent themselves REAL quick because most airlines will not survive this minus an enormous bailout.
 
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Thump said:
The recirculation of air in office and apartment buildings/schools is a BIG problem!

This is why no one will want to fly without a Hazmat suit.

Places that rely on "tourism" as the basis of their economies better reinvent themselves REAL quick because most airlines will not survive this minus an enormous bailout.
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Even if they get an enormous bailout (and they will) most people still won’t be flying for a while
 
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Thump said:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/wuhan-reopened-last-month-now-191224332.html
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Here’s the thing. Certain people accuse me of being the “usual suspects” but I have a more nuanced view than some people think. No new cases is not a realistic, or even appropriate, barometer for reopening the country. Dr. Fauci said the same the other day at testimony. The real factor is our ability to contain an outbreak, locate and isolate the source(s), and track-trace direct contact as best as possible to help people be vigilant in caring for themselves, and quarantining if necessary.

None of that requires the sun, moon, stars, Jesus Christ, or the Easter Bunny. It requires A) healthcare institutions to spiff up their disaster protocols in case of an outbreak (mostly done I expect) and B) rapidly available, widespread, and reliable testing with a quick turnaround time. B) is where Trump and his stooges has utterly and completely failed us. If we had B), then the chances of overwhelmed ERs, massive expansion, and mass panic are reduced dramatically. If the fucker had just acknowledged the problem and put all of our resources into a universal testing mechanism with the requisite supplies and lab availability, we would be in a much, much better place right now. But he didn’t, and we aren’t. We are flying virtually blind, which is really the worst way to contain a pandemic.
 
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Thump said:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-antibody-test-065939982.html
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This is, of course, fantastic news, and to me completely unsurprising that Roche takes their time and does it right while certain American companies shove it out there without knowing if it works.

Two questions remain pertaining to using such a test as a litmus test: a) are you actually immune to getting it again, and b) if you are immune from getting sick again, can you still carry it and give it to other people.
 
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