Coronavirus (COVID-19) is too exciting for adults to discuss (CLOSED)

[jwinslow]

You just have to wonder what the variables are from region to region. In Chicago, for example, it’s only 70-75% of those hospitalized are unvaccinated. Hardly a ringing endorsement for vaccine efficacy. I’ll say it again, nothing has changed much other than our behavior. Behavior is driving this every bit as much as vaccine rate.

https://blockclubchicago.org/2021/1...icron-surge-hits-nearly-all-are-unvaccinated/

75% vs 85% are both large percentages (with varying jab rates), and a pretty loud answer of whether the vaccine matters.

According to a Nov 25 article, 77% of Chicago (over 12) are at least single vaccinated.

So, going by your number, the group that's 1/4 the size is accounting for 3x as many hospitalizations.

In grand rapids, the group that's 43% of the population has 5.7x as many hospitalizations.

The math gets a lot worse when you start talking about severe cases.

 

[heisman]

Not following your logic here. If those 70-75% were vaccinated, it would seem logical that it would make a tremendous difference in those hospitalized and straining the system.

True, and never said otherwise. To my knowledge, however, the vaccines were never branded as, “It could make a tremendous difference on whether or not you’ll be hospitalized.”

 

[jwinslow]

True, and never said otherwise. To my knowledge, however, the vaccines were never branded as, “It could make a tremendous difference on whether or not you’ll be hospitalized.”

They absolutely were branded that way, and for awhile. Just poorly and with little chance of being remembered as such. And there was also plenty of branding about being fairly good at preventing infection and transmission (before omicron), so we focused on that part and didn't care too much about hospitalization.

Deaths, cases, efficacy, transmissibility, false positives, mislabeled cases, inflated numbers, those things are much sexier.

The middle stuff in covid has always been ignored. Unless it gets rolled into something sexier, like overwhelming hospitals, breaking systems, sending primary care or patients over their breaking point, then the medium stuff will hold our attention.

Messaging has always been a problem, and not only because of how it was done. We've known for many months that this isn't just an old or frail person threat, yet that stereotype is nearly impossible to eradicate.

 

[heisman]

They absolutely were branded that way, and for awhile. Just poorly and with little chance of being remembered as such. And there was also plenty of branding about being fairly good at preventing infection and transmission, so we focused on that part and didn't care too much about hospitalization.

Deaths, cases, efficacy, transmissibility, false positives, mislabeled cases, inflated numbers, those things are much sexier.

The middle stuff in covid has always been ignored. Unless it gets rolled into something sexier, like overwhelming hospitals, breaking systems, sending primary care or patients over their breaking point, then the medium stuff will hold our attention.

Messaging has always been a problem, and not only because of how it was done. We've known for many months that this isn't just an old or frail person threat, yet that stereotype is nearly impossible to eradicate.

Not seeing that mentioned anywhere in their initial release. I think you’re taking account of politicians/celebrities who chimed in when the target moved dramatically.

“The mRNA-based Pfizer and Moderna vaccines were shown to have 94–95% efficacy in preventing symptomatic COVID-19, calculated as 100 × (1 minus the attack rate with vaccine divided by the attack rate with placebo). It means that in a population such as the one enrolled in the trials, with a cumulated COVID-19 attack rate over a period of 3 months of about 1% without a vaccine, we would expect roughly 0·05% of vaccinated people would get diseased.”

Here’s the actual filing as well. Again, very straightforward.

https://www.fda.gov/media/144246/download

 

[jwinslow]

Not seeing that mentioned anywhere in their initial release. I think you’re taking account of politicians/celebrities who chimed in when the target moved dramatically.

“The mRNA-based Pfizer and Moderna vaccines were shown to have 94–95% efficacy in preventing symptomatic COVID-19, calculated as 100 × (1 minus the attack rate with vaccine divided by the attack rate with placebo). It means that in a population such as the one enrolled in the trials, with a cumulated COVID-19 attack rate over a period of 3 months of about 1% without a vaccine, we would expect roughly 0·05% of vaccinated people would get diseased.”

So we're only discussing things said during an extremely finite time, and dunking on its struggles with variants that didn't exist at the time? For a disease that virtually every virologist and md said we wouldn't understand for years?

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7037e1.htm?s_cid=mm7037e1_w

Before late June, those who weren’t fully vaccinated were 11.1 times more likely to get COVID-19 than fully vaccinated individuals. After late June, when Delta was the dominant variant, those who weren’t fully vaccinated were 4.6 times more likely to get COVID-19.
Before late June, those who weren’t fully vaccinated were 13.3 times more likely to be hospitalized than fully vaccinated individuals. After late June, those who weren’t fully vaccinated were 10.4 times more likely to be hospitalized from COVID-19.
Before late June, those who weren’t vaccinated were 16.6 times more likely to die from COVID-19 than those who were fully vaccinated. After late June, they were 11.3 times more likely to die from COVID-19 than those who were fully vaccinated.

https://amp.beaconjournal.com/amp/5025596001

Study on vaccinated care givers from very early on.


It was absolutely discussed regularly. We were just hoping to get back to normal, not catch it, not transmit it, not die and maybe make the virus insignificant statistically. Whether a breakthrough case and missing work involved a hospital stay but not death just wasn't a very major focus compared to all of those things.

 

[RuGettinIt]

I think common sense left the building a long time ago where COVID is concerned.

 

[heisman]

So we're only discussing things said during an extremely finite time, and dunking on its struggles with variants that didn't exist at the time?

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7037e1.htm?s_cid=mm7037e1_w
I mean they had plenty of articles like this sooner, but given that most of us couldn't get the vaccine until late April or may, it felt kind of useless statistically

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...MQFnoECBcQAQ&usg=AOvVaw2Tu1IkGBWVUMCdV0d8Mi1h

No, we’re discussing the actual research submitted by companies that are worth hundreds of billions more than they were worth prior to the pandemic. Isn’t that an important discussion? I’m baffled this doesn’t matter to people.

 

[jwinslow]

No, we’re discussing the actual research submitted by companies that are worth hundreds of billions more than they were worth prior to the pandemic. Isn’t that an important discussion? I’m baffled this doesn’t matter to people.

Talk about moving the target dramatically.

You said they weren't talking about protection against hospitalization. This is from March, months before most of us could get jabbed
https://www.mha.org/newsroom/covid-...ing-at-alarming-rate-for-unvaccinated-adults/

This is dewine in mid may, shortly after adult eligibility opened up (also at the start of it, he talks about how they knew nothing when they started)

More good news is that fewer Ohioans are in the hospital for COVID today than they were in the
days before we had a vaccine. In fact, we have seen more than a 75 percent drop in our COVID19
hospitalization count since we got the vaccine. On January 10th, we had over 4,200 Ohio
citizens in our hospitals for COVID. Today, we have 964.3

there were other articles talking about the elderly group seeing their hospitalization rate freefall.


Whether megacorps are printing money with all of this and able to pivot to keep it flowing
is a complicated topic, but doesn't refute my claim.

 

[heisman]

Talk about moving the target dramatically.

You said they weren't talking about protection against hospitalization. This is from March, months before most of us could get jabbed
https://www.mha.org/newsroom/covid-...ing-at-alarming-rate-for-unvaccinated-adults/

This is dewine in mid may, shortly after adult eligibility opened up
there were other articles talking about the elderly group seeing their hospitalization rate freefall.

You took the blue pill on this one Josh. I’m trying with all my might to cough up the red.

 

[3074326]

Well I was exposed directly today and yesterday.

Folks - just fucking stay home if you're sick holy shit. Even if you don't have COVID.

 

[sparcboxbuck]

Little Jax got it.

He's vaccinated so no big deal. Symptoms are mild but he knew he had it. Quarantine for 5 days, wear a mask, rub some dirt on it and get back in there.

Not much else to do.

Glad to hear that he’s better. Our youngest just tested positive yesterday. Also vax’d. Took a Tylenol for his throat and played video games with his friends all day (on line). No real change to his day.

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

Well I was exposed directly today and yesterday.

Folks - just fucking stay home if you're sick holy shit. Even if you don't have COVID.

Common sense doesn't seem so common anymore, does it?

 

[Buckeneye]

You took the blue pill on this one Josh. I’m trying with all my might to cough up the red.

Once again, can't stress this enough, Neo-cons have been using this red pill allegory all wrong since W. What's more funny is you don't even realize it.



As an aside, after nearly two years of health, I think your boy finally caught the 'Rona, my friends. Still need to get tested but I'm fairly certain this is it. Not the worst I've ever been but not pleasant either. Big 4 symptoms - chills (bad chills) joint aches and headache/congestion, loss of appetite.

Came over me incredibly fast around 1pm. Went home, crawled into bed, been here ever since.

I guess an older guy (about 50, no offense to that crowd lol) who works on the production floor at my company was on a ventilator. Right now it's burning through our production staff and, I'm sorry to say, we only have our management to blame for it. Including one of their higher ups who exhibited ALL the symptoms, but still came into work anyway.

I've said this before and I feel it holds true in almost any situation or enterprise in this world - there is a dearth of genuine leadership present among humanity.

 

[Thump]

Once again, can't stress this enough, Neo-cons have been using this red pill allegory all wrong since W. What's more funny is you don't even realize it.



As an aside, after nearly two years of health, I think your boy finally caught the 'Rona, my friends. Still need to get tested but I'm fairly certain this is it. Not the worst I've ever been but not pleasant either. Big 4 symptoms - chills (bad chills) joint aches and headache/congestion, loss of appetite.

Came over me incredibly fast around 1pm. Went home, crawled into bed, been here ever since.

I guess an older guy (about 50, no offense to that crowd lol) who works on the production floor at my company was on a ventilator. Right now it's burning through our production staff and, I'm sorry to say, we only have our management to blame for it. Including one of their higher ups who exhibited ALL the symptoms, but still came into work anyway.

I've said this before and I feel it holds true in almost any situation or enterprise in this world - there is a dearth of genuine leadership present among humanity.

People think going to work sick is some kind of “badge of courage.”

It’s just work.

Quit being self-centered a-holes for one second and think of others for once.

 

[BuckBackHome]

How are employers treating sick time/PTO when someone comes down with either Covid or they have been exposed and need to quarantine? I work for myself from a home office and really have no clue how it works in the "real" world.