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Coronavirus (COVID-19) is too exciting for adults to discuss (CLOSED)

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BuckeyeNation27 said:
Because one thing is a right granted by the contsitution of the United States, and the other is a circle jerk echo chamber.

Let me see if I can dumb it down for you. It's pouring outside. You just took a shower and are about to watch some TV. Uh oh.....you just remembered, you left your favorite Barbie doll outside. Bah....it's not that important. No need to get drenched. You can get it tomorrow. Then your neighbor calls, because....oops! Your dog is still chained up in the back yard. Now all of a sudden there's something more important outside. You go outside and get the dog. Are you a hypocrite....or did you just find that getting the dog was worth the risk of getting wet, while getting the Barbie wasn't?
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How dare you leave Barbie out there in those conditions! You savage.
 
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Jaxbuck said:
which is a comforting refrain if you want to blame everything on Trump as a course of you r natural everyday life.

when you look around at the rest of the worlds results you see our Bond villain led government didn’t get it any better or any worse than other world leaders on average.

I think the guy is a clown myself but this being so much worse because Trump argument makes you and others look bad. If the American experience was significantly worse than the rest of the world then sure, but all in all of it was middle of the road you’re tilting at windmills.

I know it’s only good where governors were involved and only bad where Trump was involved or whatever but again, not completely true. Some of these governors overstepped big time.

so all in all our governments response was a mixed bag. I know that pains the ardent a trump haters to no end but there is no changing minds on that topic so, have at it.
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I think the USA has less than 5% of the world's population.

We've been around 27% of the number of reported cases and reported deaths.

Those numbers don't seem to make the American experience 'middle of the road'.
 
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And before some folks jump my case, please read what I posted on MARCH 18th.

BB73 said:
Until today, I was understanding of all the measures being taken so far, to 'flatten the curve' and contain the spread of the virus, and lessen its impact on the healthcare system. But today I've decided that they need to place an end-point in people's minds about these measures. I think most folks can deal with a 3-week period of harsh stay-at-home measures, maybe 30 days. But what if there's no end in sight to the measures that are having such a drastic effect on the economy? Do the health experts calling the shots think we need to wait 4 to 6 weeks before deciding if we need to continue these measures for another 4 to 6 weeks after that? And then maybe even longer after that? People need to be able to make decisions about their lives and their jobs, and the future of their businesses, and they need an end date to these isolation measures in order to do that.

I've known this was coming since early January, when it was spreading rapidly in Wuhan. I thought the response was too slow for several weeks, and in the last week I've seen the pendulum swing to these harsh measures and have understood the reasons why, but there needs to be a definite end in sight. The impact on the economy and society will be worse overall than the effects of the virus on the population if the current situation extends past April.

And I'm not saying this because of the stock market, I have zero money in there. I'm saying it because of the impact to millions of people that will have serious difficulty in making monthly payments and simply buying food if this lasts more than a few weeks. And I have serious doubt that any government aid package will be done effectively.

And I'm in an above average risk category, health-wise. But I'm willing to be exposed and take my 1% or so, or whatever it actually is, risk at not surviving, rather than have life as we know it devolve into the mass chaos that will likely occur if the current situation extends into months.
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BB73 said:
I think the USA has less than 5% of the world's population.

We've been around 27% of the number of reported cases and reported deaths.

Those numbers don't seem to make the American experience 'middle of the road'.
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John Hopkins. Death rates per capita. All I’ve got to go by but it seems to bear out my statement.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality
 
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Jaxbuck said:
John Hopkins. Death rates per capita. All I’ve got to go by but it seems to bear out my statement.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality
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Thanks, that's a link with a lot of data.

Stats can be looked at in different ways. That chart, when looked at for deaths per 100,000, shows the USA with the 4th highest death rate among the 20 most infected countries, and a 50% higher rate than the country with the 5th highest rate. That seems to me to be more toward the high end of the list, not in the middle.

I wish they had included a total so the individual countries could be compared to the overall numbers.
 
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BB73 said:
Thanks, that's a link with a lot of data.

Stats can be looked at in different ways. That chart, when looked at for deaths per 100,000, shows the USA with the 4th highest death rate among the 20 most infected countries, and a 50% higher rate than the country with the 5th highest rate. That seems to me to be more toward the high end of the list, not in the middle.

I wish they had included a total so the individual countries could be compared to the overall numbers.
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Johns Hopkins data makes sense and looks accurate.
It would be hard to compare countries as governments have handled the pandemic differently. But we can look at obvious high and low numbers. South Korea seems to have handled the pandemic best because they had actually planned for an outbreak. The US bungled the recognition of a pandemic. And now we'll have to deal with a worst case scenario. 112,000 deaths and 2 million cases. Not to mention 40 million out of work. All after just 5 months.

Within a month, the Korean outbreak was effectively contained. In the first two weeks of March, new daily cases fell from 800 to fewer than 100. (This morning, the nation of 51 million reported zero new domestic infections for the third straight day.) On April 15, the country successfully held a national parliamentary election with the highest turnout in three decades, without triggering another wave. South Korea is not unique in its ability to bend the curve of daily cases; New Zealand, Australia, and Norway have done so, as well. But it is perhaps the largest democracy to reduce new daily cases by more than 90 percent from peak, and its density and proximity to China make the achievement particularly noteworthy.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/05/whats-south-koreas-secret/611215/
 
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Thump said:
People are letting their guard down here b/c it's lost "Headline" status.
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Places started opening up well before the Floyd incident. I don't think much is changing solely because it hasn't been the top story for the last three weeks.

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I fully expect a second wave SOON.
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I don't. If there is a second "wave" it won't be until the flu season starts in the fall. The case rate has remained essentially flat over the last eight weeks or so, and the death rate continues to plummet despite places re-opening.
 
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When you look at the riots/protests/unrest globally, I think a large part of it is due to COVID lockdown.

Rule #1 for all governments is to stay in power.

IMO, second wave or no second wave, governments are going to be very careful with another lockdown. People will react much differently if there is a second round of that nonsense.
 
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BuckeyeNation27 said:
Yeah but it's too fucking pedantic to waste energy on.
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Says the moron that thinks: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." grants rights, when the text CLEARLY establishes what Congress cannot do.
 
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lvbuckeye said:
Says the moron that thinks: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." grants rights, when the text CLEARLY establishes what Congress cannot do.
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mmhmmm
 
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