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Coronavirus (COVID-19) is too exciting for adults to discuss (CLOSED)

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Thump said:
People are letting their guard down here b/c it's lost "Headline" status.

I fully expect a second wave SOON.
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People are letting their guard down because we are emotional, fickle creatures, and our primary defensive mechanism is misdirection toward others for displaying those qualities.

Nothing has changed. We didn't address PPE. We didn't really address testing. We can't even compare the results between states. We did napalm the economy and divide our polarized nation even further.

We are worse off than in March, because now we all know better than the so called experts, and so they can be cancelled. And trolls like Clay Travis take their place are exalted strictly by blatant mockery interlaced with stats, never mind the frequency of the trolling being rife with errors. No one is looking to Clay, or Donald, for truth. Only for them to eviscerate the enemy.

And there's plenty of hideousness opposite them too from the lockdown crowd. Both sides villifying and demonizing the other, and both stricken and enraged by fear. It threatens and infects us all if we don't notice it.

They'll keep playing us like fiddles, and making sure they keep us inside to avoid hearing real voices and experiences of friends, and feed all of us a non stop sludge fest of extreme headlines so we think that there is no one left listening or caring about the other. And in no time at all, that input begins coming out of our own minds, if not our mouths. First about others, and then about ourselves. We start treating what's online as our own experience.

Get outside and talk, or there's no getting back from this.
 
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jwinslow said:
People are letting their guard down because we are emotional, fickle creatures, and our primary defensive mechanism is misdirection toward others for displaying those qualities.

Nothing has changed. We didn't address PPE. We didn't really address testing. We can't even compare the results between states. We did napalm the economy and divide our polarized nation even further.

We are worse off than in March, because now we all know better than the so called experts, and so they can be cancelled. And trolls like Clay Travis take their place are exalted strictly by blatant mockery interlaced with stats, never mind the frequency of the trolling being rife with errors. No one is looking to Clay, or Donald, for truth. Only for them to eviscerate the enemy.

And there's plenty of hideousness opposite them too from the lockdown crowd. Both sides villifying and demonizing the other, and both stricken and enraged by fear. It threatens and infects us all if we don't notice it.

They'll keep playing us like fiddles, and making sure they keep us inside to avoid hearing real voices and experiences of friends, and feed all of us a non stop sludge fest of extreme headlines so we think that there is no one left listening or caring about the other. And in no time at all, that input begins coming out of our own minds, if not our mouths. First about others, and then about ourselves. We start treating what's online as our own experience.

Get outside and talk, or there's no getting back from this.
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There is no getting back from this entirely. This will be like 9/11 in the sense that we will look back to early March and realize the way things were in the past tense. There will be no getting back to normal, there will be a new normal. Only this time, there has been no (mostly mirage) “unity” in the wake of the event like there was then, there has been stark division. And that will never go back either.
 
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Bucklion said:
There is no getting back from this entirely. This will be like 9/11 in the sense that we will look back to early March and realize the way things were in the past tense. There will be no getting back to normal, there will be a new normal. Only this time, there has been no (mostly mirage) “unity” in the wake of the event like there was then, there has been stark division. And that will never go back either.
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totally agree

Seeing it already in trying to crawl back out into the wild. Going into the office for the first time last week just felt...odd. Totally inefficient and unnecessary. We are considering giving allowances for remote employees to maybe go do a flex office space rental type thing if they are desperate to get out of the house (small kids or something) but all in all I don't see us ever going back to that model.

Just as one thing I noticed. Don't get me started on restaurants, gyms and the like. Retail will never be the same. It no longer solves the same problem it used to.
 
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Florida (2700 new cases) & Arizona (2300 new cases) with skyrocketing cases. Texas and California will probably be just as bad.

We really did almost EVERYTHING wrong. Shutdown too late, opened too early. Didn't provide nearly enough financial aid for actual people and small businesses. And certainly there was no messaging to alert people of how quickly this could come back to bite us if you act like it never happened.

And @jwinslow is right. It's worse because PPE and even testing are still an issue, only now people are sick of quarantine and think it's over until October. There's no support for people to quarantine once again, and the virus is going to have much more time to spread before there is any thought to tamp down on openings.

There was never any plan to actually address this on a national level, and now it's coming home to roost.
 
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https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-da...ning-11592264199?reflink=share_mobilewebshare

Fortunately, economists no longer have to rely on inherently flawed projections. We can use real data. In what might turn out to be the best paper on the economics of Covid-19, a team of economists from the University of California, Berkeley carefully evaluated empirical data on social distancing, shelter-in-place orders, and lives saved. To measure the impact of social distancing, they gathered data from cellphones on travel patterns, foot traffic in nonessential businesses, and personal interactions.

Their findings? Social-distancing measures reduced person-to-person contact by about 50%, while harsher shelter-in-place rules reduced contact by only an additional 5%. Then, using data on Covid-19 infection and mortality, they estimated that these measures saved 74,000 lives. Finally, after using demographic data to adjust the VSL—which is lower for older people, who have fewer years to live—the study found that the gross benefit of social distancing has been a mere $250 billion.
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Read the full article. Worth the effort.
 
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Honor&Glory said:
for reasons I am not entire stunned by, I waited to see if anyone would actually post this today...of course nobody did. we hate good news and some people flat out ejaculate over bad news and higher death numbers...

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/steroid-dexamethasone-reduces-deaths-among-120000630.html
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It’s posted over in the poli thread. Dex is an anti-inflammatory steroid used to treat some forms of cancer, so the result seems to make sense, in particular for the sickest patients. TBH I’m surprised it hasn’t been talked about for emergency symptom relief before now.
 
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1926Buckeyes said:
Florida (2700 new cases) & Arizona (2300 new cases) with skyrocketing cases. Texas and California will probably be just as bad.

We really did almost EVERYTHING wrong. Shutdown too late, opened too early. Didn't provide nearly enough financial aid for actual people and small businesses. And certainly there was no messaging to alert people of how quickly this could come back to bite us if you act like it never happened.

And @jwinslow is right. It's worse because PPE and even testing are still an issue, only now people are sick of quarantine and think it's over until October. There's no support for people to quarantine once again, and the virus is going to have much more time to spread before there is any thought to tamp down on openings.

There was never any plan to actually address this on a national level, and now it's coming home to roost.
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Taos, is that you?

The 2,625 new cases in Florida was three days ago...subsequent cases totals dropped to 1,972 and 1,758 the following two days. This was just under double what they were right around Memorial Day, when everyone went out and likely was to cause for the spike. Funny thing is, there was corresponding spike, or even a rise at all, in the death rate. This would tell you the spike in likely due to all the under-25 fucks who partied mask-less and not social-distanced that 3-day weekend...you know, the ones who get it and get it over quickly. Arizona doesn't have a graph for it on Worldometers like Florida does, so I can't provide any rate data. As for Cali and Tejas, cases in Cali did rise somewhat from Memorial Day weekend, but didn't "spike", and the death rate--like Florida--remains essentially unchanged. Tejas also had a bump in cases, but actually has seen a drop in deaths rates even three weeks after Memorial Day.
 
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MililaniBuckeye said:
Taos, is that you?

The 2,625 new cases in Florida was three days ago...subsequent cases totals dropped to 1,972 and 1,758 the following two days. This was just under double what they were right around Memorial Day, when everyone went out and likely was to cause for the spike.
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https://www.local10.com/news/local/2020/06/15/florida-coronavirus-numbers-cases-rising/
TALLAHASSEE, Fla. – Florida reported another 2,783 cases of COVID-19 on Tuesday morning, the highest number of new cases the state has confirmed in a single day.
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Thankfully the daily death rate has gone way down, but it's still at 700-1000 per day and it will increase just as it did before if confirmed cases continue to rise. It's a dangerous game to play to assume all the young people won't spread it to family and friends who can potentially get severely ill.

And I don't think I'm being depressing or taking it too seriously. The last thing anyone wants to do is go back to 2000+ deaths a day and another lockdown period. It's not sustainable.
 
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1926Buckeyes said:
Thankfully the daily death rate has gone way down, but it's still at 700-1000 per day and it will increase just as it did before if confirmed cases continue to rise.
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If the death rate did not increase after the Memorial Day weekend three weeks ago, it's into going to increase. The stats already show that an increase of cases does not necessarily cause an increase in deaths.

1926Buckeyes said:
And I don't think I'm being depressing or taking it too seriously. The last thing anyone wants to do is go back to 2000+ deaths a day and another lockdown period. It's not sustainable.
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If the death rate is still decreasing despite the country re-opening (albeit gradually), what makes you think the death rate is going is going to essentially triple all of a sudden?
 
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