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Coronavirus (COVID-19) is too exciting for adults to discuss (CLOSED)

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Jaxbuck said:
The 5G towers in France just fell down on their own
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lvbuckeye said:
Turns out that violating our rights is illegal.
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So what about this Supreme Court ruling issued during a smallpox outbreak in 1905 that still applies today?
I've already posted this in the thread on the poli board.

Here's what the Supreme Court has already established as case law in Jacobson vs. Massachusetts ........“The Constitution,” Justice John Marshall Harlan wrote for a 7-2 majority, “does not import an absolute right in each person to be, at all times and in all circumstances, wholly freed from restraint.” Instead, “a community has the right to protect itself against an epidemic.” Its members “may at times, under the pressure of great dangers, be subjected to such restraint, to be enforced by reasonable regulations, as the safety of the general public may demand.”

States also have the power, beyond criminal law enforcement, to make quarantine and isolation effective. If presented with widespread noncompliance, governors may call National Guard units to put their orders into force, to safeguard state property and infrastructure, and to maintain the peace. In some states, individuals who violate emergency orders can be detained without charge and held in isolation.
 
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A community having the right to protect itself in an epidemic and a power-drunk governor banning the sale of seeds are not the same thing. A church deciding to suspend services or have parking lot services is the community exercising its right. DeBlasio (not his real name, look up who he actually is) threatening the Jewish community for going to synagogue is NOT the community exercising its rights.
 
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gmen6981 said:
So what about this Supreme Court ruling issued during a smallpox outbreak in 1905 that still applies today?
I've already posted this in the thread on the poli board.

Here's what the Supreme Court has already established as case law in Jacobson vs. Massachusetts ........“The Constitution,” Justice John Marshall Harlan wrote for a 7-2 majority, “does not import an absolute right in each person to be, at all times and in all circumstances, wholly freed from restraint.” Instead, “a community has the right to protect itself against an epidemic.” Its members “may at times, under the pressure of great dangers, be subjected to such restraint, to be enforced by reasonable regulations, as the safety of the general public may demand.”

States also have the power, beyond criminal law enforcement, to make quarantine and isolation effective. If presented with widespread noncompliance, governors may call National Guard units to put their orders into force, to safeguard state property and infrastructure, and to maintain the peace. In some states, individuals who violate emergency orders can be detained without charge and held in isolation.
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That was an incredibly necessary ruling that allowed schools to require students be vaccinated.
 
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gmen6981 said:
True...but also covered stay at home and quarantine orders that were issued at the time.
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Seems like state's rights/constitutions have taken control of this one, however. Seems like the courts that have sided with the plaintiffs have focused on the governor's 30 day limitations. Some have won, some have lost. I don't envision SCOTUS getting involved.
 
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Jagdaddy said:
This does not seem like good news at all: https://www.stripes.com/news/navy/f...navirus-18-others-taken-off-the-ship-1.629831
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Alright...

This makes more sense.

https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/...y-aren-t-infectious?__twitter_impression=true

Scientists from the Korean Centers for Disease Control and Prevention studied 285 Covid-19 survivors who had tested positive for the coronavirus after their illness had apparently resolved, as indicated by a previous negative test result. The so-called re-positive patients weren’t found to have spread any lingering infection, and virus samples collected from them couldn’t be grown in culture, indicating the patients were shedding non-infectious or dead virus particles.
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So, some quick reminders. Testing positive again isn't getting sick again. And the tests are looking for RNA markers, they can't distinguish between viable or non viable virus fragments.

Also, later in the piece:

A recent study in Singapore showed that recovered patients from severe acute respiratory syndrome, or SARS, are found to have “significant levels of neutralizing antibodies” nine to 17 years after initial infection, according to researchers including Danielle E. Anderson of Duke-NUS Medical School
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So, i still think we need to be careful ascribing super powers to this thing, its primary super power is stealth so it can spread symptom free, the rest is wrinkles here are there because its so widespread and so much attention is on it.
 
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AKAK said:
Alright...

This makes more sense.

https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/...y-aren-t-infectious?__twitter_impression=true



So, some quick reminders. Testing positive again isn't getting sick again. And the tests are looking for RNA markers, they can't distinguish between viable or non viable virus fragments.

Also, later in the piece:



So, i still think we need to be careful ascribing super powers to this thing, its primary super power is stealth so it can spread symptom free, the rest is wrinkles here are there because its so widespread and so much attention is on it.
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Great news.
 
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lvbuckeye said:
A community having the right to protect itself in an epidemic and a power-drunk governor banning the sale of seeds are not the same thing. A church deciding to suspend services or have parking lot services is the community exercising its right. DeBlasio (not his real name, look up who he actually is) threatening the Jewish community for going to synagogue is NOT the community exercising its rights.
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First off, he's not threatening THE Jewish community. He's threatening a radical minority subset of the Jewish community, one which has been condemned by mainstream Jewish organizations for their actions during the pandemic. It's no different than a Governor or Mayor trying to reign in some faith healer packing people into his church is not an indictment of the vast majority of Christian churches that have acted responsibly.
 
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