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Coronavirus (COVID-19) is too exciting for adults to discuss (CLOSED)

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C'mon man, that's nonsense. The media didn't lockdown Italy or kill over 3,000 people in China or kill four senior politicians in Iran in just the past ten weeks. Information disseminated from the WHO, NIH, CDC, and others is freely available without having it filtered through the media.

With a R0 of 2.6 (vs the seasonal flus 1.3), the high mortality rate of 3.5 (vs the flus 0.05), and the fact nobody on earth has any natural immune defense against this, the numbers will be devastating if it is not contained, or spreads across health care workers, and hospitals are both booked full and under-staffed. With no vaccine, seasonal flu shot, or herd immunity, those of us under 60 are the vector that will spread this to our own loved ones over 60.

If 34 million got this like they have the flu this past season, it wouldn't kill 20,000, it'd kill 1.9 million. If it is proven to be more devastating to those over 60, why risk exposing the 72.5 million Americans over 60 to it? 3.5% of that demographic alone would be 2.54 million.

Go ahead. You do the math. Since 10/01/2019 to 02/29/2020, the CDC estimates anywhere between 20k and 50k deaths due to flu.

How many people have died due to Corona-Chan? Ten percent? Not even. One percent? Maybe, maybe more, depending on demographics.

Is the whole world infected? Yes!
 
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I was supposed to go to Chicago with my wife for a weekend getaway in a couple weeks. We decided to cancel yesterday. My mom has UC and receives infusion treatments, putting her firmly in the "at risk" category. Sure, either of us could pick up the bug in our small suburban community in NEO, but that would be more palatable than my wife or myself picking something up in a city of almost three million, bringing it back with us and transferring the bug to her. Better to be safe than sorry.
 
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I feel it is a shame that some people have to politicize everything and it has destroyed the economy. Personally it has cost me and my family significantly, all based on fear and click bait bull crap. It is ridiculous. That is the sad part. Some could care less about the financial devastation they create all to make one side "look bad". It is real life. Use real judgement. Protect those elderly that might be at risk. Quit acting like the world might end tomorrow. Stop the political BS. Quit scaring people into buying all of the toilet paper. Covid19 is not killing anywhere near the people influenza is, yet that doesn't seem relevant to some. We do not freak out every single year the flu does it's thing to the high risk because it isn't an election year and there is no power to gain. It is pathetic.
 
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the panic is cause by not knowing... we dont know the denominator number in the China or anywhere in the world except for a some small countries... if we had functional testing at the capacity the US SHOULD have this shouldn’t be an issue... I’m not really sure why testing for this thing has become a big issue other than the old adage - if you dont test for it how can it be present in your city/state/country.

Why the fuck SHOULD the US have testing capacity for a thing that six months ago no one even knew existed? Why should anyone? HOW should anyone?

Think logically here. If the government had a testing kit readily available for a virus that no one knew existed, that would have some pretty serious and dire implications.
 
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Good advice from an infectious disease doctor about Coronovirus.
Abdu A Sharkawy, MD, FRCPC: Assistant Clinical Professor of Medicine: University of Toronto.

Abdu Sharkawy
March 5 at 9:45 PM

I'm a doctor and an Infectious Diseases Specialist. I've been at this for more than 20 years seeing sick patients on a daily basis. I have worked in inner city hospitals and in the poorest slums of Africa. HIV-AIDS, Hepatitis,TB, SARS, Measles, Shingles, Whooping cough, Diphtheria...there is little I haven't been exposed to in my profession. And with notable exception of SARS, very little has left me feeling vulnerable, overwhelmed or downright scared.

I am not scared of Covid-19. I am concerned about the implications of a novel infectious agent that has spread the world over and continues to find new footholds in different soil. I am rightly concerned for the welfare of those who are elderly, in frail health or disenfranchised who stand to suffer mostly, and disproportionately, at the hands of this new scourge. But I am not scared of Covid-19.

What I am scared about is the loss of reason and wave of fear that has induced the masses of society into a spellbinding spiral of panic, stockpiling obscene quantities of anything that could fill a bomb shelter adequately in a post-apocalyptic world. I am scared of the N95 masks that are stolen from hospitals and urgent care clinics where they are actually needed for front line healthcare providers and instead are being donned in airports, malls, and coffee lounges, perpetuating even more fear and suspicion of others. I am scared that our hospitals will be overwhelmed with anyone who thinks they " probably don't have it but may as well get checked out no matter what because you just never know..." and those with heart failure, emphysema, pneumonia and strokes will pay the price for overfilled ER waiting rooms with only so many doctors and nurses to assess.

I am scared that travel restrictions will become so far reaching that weddings will be canceled, graduations missed and family reunions will not materialize. And well, even that big party called the Olympic Games...that could be kyboshed too. Can you even
imagine?

I'm scared those same epidemic fears will limit trade, harm partnerships in multiple sectors, business and otherwise and ultimately culminate in a global recession.

But mostly, I'm scared about what message we are telling our kids when faced with a threat. Instead of reason, rationality, openmindedness and altruism, we are telling them to panic, be fearful, suspicious, reactionary and self-interested.

Covid-19 is nowhere near over. It will be coming to a city, a hospital, a friend, even a family member near you at some point. Expect it. Stop waiting to be surprised further. The fact is the virus itself will not likely do much harm when it arrives. But our own behaviors and "fight for yourself above all else" attitude could prove disastrous.

I implore you all. Temper fear with reason, panic with patience and uncertainty with education. We have an opportunity to learn a great deal about health hygiene and limiting the spread of innumerable transmissible diseases in our society. Let's meet this challenge together in the best spirit of compassion for others, patience, and above all, an unfailing effort to seek truth, facts and knowledge as opposed to conjecture, speculation and catastrophizing.

Facts not fear. Clean hands. Open hearts.
Our children will thank us for it.
 
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Why the fuck SHOULD the US have testing capacity for a thing that six months ago no one even knew existed? Why should anyone? HOW should anyone?

Think logically here. If the government had a testing kit readily available for a virus that no one knew existed, that would have some pretty serious and dire implications.
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Did I say hey should look into the Orb from Saudi Arabia?

No but the richest and smartest country in the world shouldn’t be in the testing situation we are in MONTHS (yes we knew it was coming back in Jan) after this was known.

Honestly look at other counties test per millions of people ..its FUCKING ridiculous. I know you’re convinced its no big deal, but some of us have loved ones in this virus’s preferred kill zone and would prefer not to lose them due to “if we dont test we dont have it” policy.
 
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the panic is cause by not knowing... we dont know the denominator number in the China or anywhere in the world except for a some small countries... if we had functional testing at the capacity the US SHOULD have this shouldn’t be an issue... I’m not really sure why testing for this thing has become a big issue other than the old adage - if you dont test for it how can it be present in your city/state/country.

The testing situation is pretty fucked up, I agree... but at some point its not going to matter and the situation will be statistical... They didn't test 60 million people for swine flu, obviously. The mistake CDC made was developing their own test that... what are people saying? "Was flawed" (I love shit like that, "Was Flawed" -- It didn't work weirdos).

On the other hand, of course the Ohio Dept of health extrapolating 5 cases into 100,000+ infections state wide, seems like an awfully small sample size. (Yeah, I get the epidemiology, but I also get not all epidemics are the same)

Beyond that though, I would think there would be a more automatic mechanism in place for CDC to fund and roll out testing more quickly. (ie, we have this public health emergency, so, lets get tests in the hands of the primary care givers and get them subsidized quickly upfront -- realiziing that a million or so in they aren't going to cost much per test)
 
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Did I say hey should look into the Orb from Saudi Arabia?

No but the richest and smartest country in the world shouldn’t be in the testing situation we are in MONTHS (yes we knew it was coming back in Jan) after this was known.

Honestly look at other counties test per millions of people ..its FUCKING ridiculous. I know you’re convinced its no big deal, but some of us have loved ones in this virus’s preferred kill zone and would prefer not to lose them due to “if we dont test we dont have it” policy.

EVERYONE has it. For fucks sake, look at the CDC numbers for the flu. Between October 1 and February 29, they estimate between 20,000 and 50,000 died of the flu.

How many people have died from Corona-Chan? 4600? And what demographic is affected the most? People over 80. Guess what? People over 80 die the most FROM EVERYTHING, BECAUSE THEY'RE FUCKING OLD. To be flippant, I'll quote Frank the Tank; "that's what old people do, damnit, they die."

You're my boy, Blue!


Maybe it was just a nasty cold going around.

Maybe that's all that coronavirus is?
 
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