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Son is an OR nurse for Penn... when I tried to explain the stats I saw yesterday... he just shut me down and walked away...
I know they're stressed but already into blame game and the fed govt is at fault... no desire to look at data...
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That link says they may have to repay it, but I've read elsewhere that there will not be clawback, so even if you got more than you should have, you get to keep it. Still waiting on final wording to know for sure.
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Same. I really don’t need or want it to show up. The last tax table change totally whacked my return and I don’t need it messing up my taxes for next year.
If I do get it, I will just turn around and give it back in the form of payment for this tax season. I mean fair is fair right....
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1926Buckeyes
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I don't think people realize how devastating business as usual would be to the economy. Businesses would start closing no matter what, workers would be ill or dying. Some people might be out and about, but as they started to get sick they're not going to be buying stuff and supporting places. At least some can do that remotely or with pickup orders. The stock market would plunge further and there'd be a run on the banks as certain essential services would also be out of business for a while.
And afterwards, there'd be not only millions dead, but maybe 15% of people who live and have scarred lungs for the rest of their live. Then you'd still have a major depression due to how long this would take and how many people would likewise be laid off.
Every way this plays out, to avoid the most harm to people and the economy, you need to isolate and provide people with enough money every month so that they have essentials like food and a house/apartment and also something to put back into local businesses.
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Keep in mind that a lot of the impact is from people hunkering down irrespective of government mandates to do so.
We don't qualify for the checks and I haven't filed just due to procrastination, but if they send us checks, mine's going to my furloughed bartender brother-in-law.
Works for me. That or someone else close to you in need,
I'm usually a fan of middle road solutions, but in this instance, I suspect that we're going to get the worst of both worlds unless we get lucky and warming weather really takes care of the issue for us. We've imposed enough restrictions to exacerbate economic distress, but, given a significant portion of our populace that is bound and determined to act like idiots and the pressure to ease the restrictions up early, not enough to really shut this things down. So, there's a decent chance that we'll end up with all of the lost jobs in the short-term and most of the deaths, permanent lung impairments, and long-term health and economic consequences too. Either (1) early and truly truly draconian measures, with massive short-term government relief to those most affected economically or (2) begging people who can work from home to do so but otherwise imposing no restrictions and letting this thing kill who it wants to kill might well have ended up being better choices than what we're doing.
Donate it to the referee fund. Gotta keep the Pedsters down.
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1926Buckeyes
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I mean...I don't know what else to tell you. If you let a virus that kills 1.5-3% of people to run rampant in a country of 330 million an astronomical amount will die. And there will be a depression and chaos as that occurs. And yes, it's shown to scar people's lungs in severe cases even if they recover.
All I know is that if this was a bio-terrorist attack instead, the general population (not saying you in particular) would be doing everything gov asked and more with no questions attached. This doesn't happen as quickly though, so it's hard for people to take seriously until they see 10,000 dead overnight.
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That 1.5-3% rate is dropping as the virus spreads to better-prepared countries and as more testing is done. And you assume that every single one of the 330M will get it.
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Agreed with worst of both worlds. Wasn't that what the original Imperial College report told us though?
Option #1: Do nothing-this is unconscionable so it's a non starter. 2.2MM dead iirc.
Option #2: Containment (?) which is essentially the flatten the curve approach. Keep the sick isolated and take extraordinary procedures to isolate/protect the at risk. You are still going to lose 1.1MM people and swamp the health care system but it won't be 2.2MM people like option 1
Option #3: Suppression(?) which they say right in the paper seems unfeasible because it's a total lockdown (or one similar to what we're trying) for 18 months. Economy destroyed, fabric of free open western society shredded all to hell.
Option 2 has always been, and will always be, the only real solution because it's even somewhat possible. 1 and 3 are impossible.
No option exists to avoid a massive loss of life and therefore there has never been a need to nuke the main street economy trying to do so.
Half measures and political expediency have made this the worst of both worlds. Millions could still die, millions more will assuredly have all kinds of other mental, emotional and physical trauma from the economic dislocation.
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1926Buckeyes
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Let's say only 200 million get it. And let's say the death rate is only .5 percent. Very friendly numbers. That's 1 million dead. That's all assuming that hospitals can even keep taking patients during the massive spike that would occur. Because if they can't, many more will die who could be treated but won't be.
The awful truth is we're not a well prepared country and we're still only testing more obvious cases.
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Found out today that my next door neighbor had it in January while conventioning in Vegas. Taking no chances, I had to set their house on fire today.
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