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Confused about evolution

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I think Creationism should be taught

as a small part of a course in philosophy. But not in a "scientific"-type class. Science is subject to disproof, and it advances over time with each new discovery. Creationism is static, can't be proven (or disproven) because it is based on faith. No matter what empirical evidence may be found to the contrary, Creationism is not going to change one iota of what is presented.

As a small part in a philosophy course, Christian Creationism should be shown alongside other religious myths:
the Jainists of India believe the world has always existed just as it is now.
the Hindus believe that the world was generated from an egg.
Gilbert Islanders believe the world was created from the parts of a slain monster.
the Ancient Greeks believed the world was created as the offspring of primordial parents. I imagine a very small percentage of modern Greeks still believe this.

A little off subject, but as far as a religon having an affect on our daily lives, four of the seven days of the week are named for Norse Gods & Goddesses. One of the others is named for a Greek God.

To fear the theory of evolution is an indication of a shortcoming in one's faith. A person shouldn't have to have scientific proof to believe in a God. Hence the word: Faith.
 
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A few things:

One the simple fact that they call Evolution a theory, is proof enough that it is NOT a fact. So whoever came up with that one needs to seek the use of a dictionary.

When it comes down to where I have the biggest problems with evolution is the idea that all of these miraculous things happened by chance. Really when you think about how much would have had to take place over such a relatively short amount of time, to think that it all happend by chance can do nothing but make me laugh.

Keep in mind all of the mistakes scientists have lead us to believe in the past?

I just don't believe anything that is nothing more than the flavor of the month. The Big Bang theory is starting to come under a great amount of heat due to some things scientists have seen once the Hubble went up.

I believe the animals and humans are able to adapt. If you want to use evolve as your word fine. But you are not going to convince me that this whole thing started when lightning hit water and magically they were life and in such a sort time purely by chance a human beign was formed. Talk to a mathmatics professor and ask him about the many odds that would have to take place, and the number is rediculous.

If evolution as we understand happened one animal to the next etc. It was not without help, or a guiding power. It is irresponsible, and naive to think otherwise. I am not convinced that we were not just put on earth and slowly modified due to nutrition, society, learning, etc. But if you want to believe your theory, of course that is fine, but think about how unlikely it is that all of this happened by chance. And that is really the part of Evolution that is laughable.
 
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"Talk to a mathmatics professor and ask him about the many odds that would have to take place, and the number is rediculous."

Well, how large is the universe? There are probably (as Carl Sagan would say) billions and billions of planets out there. Well, say that life has a 1 in 1 billion chance of happening. Then Earth is that 1 in 1,000,000,000 chance. I wouldn't be surprised if we find out that Mars (at some point in history) makes 2 in 1,000,000,000
 
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:lol: -A true believer

Some people can't accept the fact that they were created, and they will believe anything, no matter how rediculous, to keep their beliefs.

Why?

I believe that it is because if they realize they were created by a higher power, then they realize they owe something to it. Mankind wants to believe that they are as high as it gets, and they owe nothing to anyone, or anything. That way we can live our lives as we wish, not as a higher power would like us to.

FYI, the number is much much much larger than the one you mentioned tibor.
 
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ok killer, let me give you a lil science lesson..

YES, it is a theory, but it is a theory that has scientific backing and it HAS been proven that creatures evolve, NOT just adapt, adapting is what you do to over come and obstable, evolving is what happens when your DNA IS CHANGED so that your entire species overcomes that obstacle get it?

and yes, science HAS given us a lot of false information.. but it is also science that fixed that information.. when was the last time your religion came out and said, oops we are wrong.. if it we believe what christianity said we would still believe the world was flat, the sun revolved around the earth, and the muslims should all be killed.. oh wait we are still going for that one in some circles huh?

you want to know the difference between science and religion??? science isnt so stuck up its own ass to say oh okay, we DONT KNOW EVERYTHING.. we make mistakes, and we are trying to figure everything out..

where as religion doesnt only refuse to admit when its wrong but will KILL YOU IF YOU DISAGREE!!!!

and yep.. the odds of what MAY have happened is pretty astronomical, but from what we know in a physical world what are the odds of what YOU say happened happening? and besides in an infininate universe eventually the improbable will happen... so the odds are still in our favor
 
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"Some people can't accept the fact that they were created, and they will believe anything, no matter how rediculous, to keep their beliefs."

Uh, your theory is just as ridiculous. Believing in a higher power just because there "has" to be one or because some book said so is no dumber or smarter than believing that man evolved from apes.

It's my belief that people believe in God because they want to believe that their lives have some meaning beyond this one. It scares people to death to think that once they die, poof! it's over and your consciousness is never coming back.
 
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My bad

"Do not reprove a scoffer, or he will hate you, Reprove a wise mand and he will love you" Proverbs 9:8

"The fear of the Lord is the beginging of knowledge; Fools despise wisdom and instruction" Proverbs 1:7

I am going to drop it from here, because there is no point to continue to shoot over eachothers bow, when I am not going to change my mind, and you are not going to change yours.

Just remember there are two sides, and strong beliefs, and their is no proof that either is wrong.

It burns me up when people say that my opinion is completely invalid when your's has just as many holes, infact more imho.

Like I said I will drop it, so respond with whatever you must and lets be done with it.
 
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"It burns me up when people say that my opinion is completely invalid when your's has just as many holes, infact more imho."

Uh, moron, you were the one who called my beliefs "ridiculous". I don't think I made any judgements as to yours. And there is no way to argue with Bible quotes since they are obviously the word of God. I admit defeat.
 
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dont get me wrong nutty, you, and ANYONE ELSE can believe whatever they want and i will not attack or deface those ideas for a second.. my only problem comes up with someone wants to push a religious ideal into childrens heads in a public institution..
 
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People running school boards who try to have evolution banned ARE wackos. It has nothing to do with personal beliefs. It has to do with banning solid science in favor of religion which should be done at the dinner table, not at a school. You can trash Darwin all you want, but the fact that nobody has come up with anything better in 100 years mean that his ideas/beliefs have some merit and should be taught in a science class.
 
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I believe that if you want to teach it as one of many THEORIES it is fine.

I do also believe that it should not be presented as facts, the only reasonable theory, or anything remotely close since it is only a guess of a story based on a limited number of facts.

I also believe that there is a place for teaching, if not anything but briefly other beliefs, theories, or options so that children are not confused into believing that evolution is the only acadmically intelligent way of thinking.

That is where there becomes a problem.

Because as wrong as you think it is to teach creationism, some people think it is to teach evolution. Why? Because they don't believe it is true, just as you don't believe creationism is true.

The 2+2=5 is a good example. Depending on who you talk to, when a school district teaches either one of these theories, and presents them as facts in a classroom one or the other of these groups believes their school is teaching their children that figuratively 2+2=5, or something that just isn't true.

Now what you have done is impose your unproven thoughts and beliefs (under the blanket of "science") and presented them as facts in a classroom, and eliminated any thought or possibilty of other ideas, theories, etc. being true. This is why some in America are getting upset about this issue and trying to push back.

IMHO all the theories, stories, beliefs, should be put on the table and let the children figure it out for themselves. I am thankful for having learned evolution, so I can speak somewhat intelligently on it, and so I could see it's, limitations. I am also thankful for having learned other possibilities so I am not so closed minded not to be able to see another person's point of view. I have found I believe, and I don't understand why people are scared of putting all of the theories on the table. That way nothing is presented as a fact, which is the way it should be anyway.
 
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thats fine like with mightbeabuck said, if you want to teach religious theories but you are going to have to teach them all, NOT teach them in science class..

however, if you want to go look up some other theories with soem actual scientific backing and teach those too then thats fine.


but there is a big difference between teaching a scientific theory and teaching baseless religious preachings.

there ARE people who believe the things i mentioned earlier about none of us existing and everything being of one conciousness, do you want your kids taught that too because its what THOSE parents BELIEVE!?!?!

also maybe we should start teaching alternatives to the theory of gravity since its a only a theory? cant be proven but it sure does seem right huh? lots of evidence to support it..

or maybe we can keep stating the same one sided arguements over and over again and completely ignore and not bother trying to counter ANYTHING i say, cuz i keep throwing out valid arguements and you dont seem to even acknowledge there existance, if you want your ideas to be REALLY considered you will have to take on its critics head on, and you havent done that yet, and that is also why the courts continually hold up the evolution side of the arguement, because it is the only side with valid evidence to support it.. its that simple..
 
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