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casey_buckeye said:
The only way OSU's APR will take a hit is if the transferring players do not graduate from the school they transfer to. If they would flunk out or drop out, it would hurt us.
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That's not correct. The APR is a measure of two things: eligibility and retention. Those are a predictor of graduation rate and that is why the NCAA is cracking down on it. Each athlete can earn two points per quarter (one each for returning to the institution and being academically eligible. In quarter schools like OSU, the value of the last quarter of the school year or the last quarter of the academic year that the student is enrolled at the institution is doubled in value. In other words, the last quarter for each of these student-athletes counts double toward the APR. For example, Erik Haw is leaving, but seems to be academically eligible to return should he have chosen to do so. That means that when fall quarter is calculated, all the players that returned will earn 2 of 2 points toward OSU's APR, while Erik Haw will be 2 of 4. The APR is a ratio, so it's gonna negatively affect it somewhat.

Just for the fact that they will not be returning to OSU (no matter what the reason may be), OSU will lose APR points. The real killer would be if any of these guys would be 0-for-2 by also being academically ineligible. That doesn't seem to be the case here from what's been said so far.

These guys' reasons for transferring or whether or not they eventually graduate mean nothing when it comes to the APR. It is measured on a term-by-term basis, and is meant to measure predictors of graduation rates - not graduation rates themselves.

These guys transferring in and of itself will not destroy OSU's APR. Football teams are very large, and there has to be a lot of other guys dropping points for things to get bad.
 
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Ohio State football player transferring to ISU
Associated Press
COLUMBUS, Ohio — An Ohio State cornerback appears to be heading to Indiana State with the intention of playing college football.

OSU athletic department spokesman Steve Snapp told The Columbus Dispatch this week that Mike Roberts has transferred to ISU.

“We’re talking with him right now,” ISU Coach Lou West said when asked about Roberts. “Nothing is official yet, but we’re very interested in him and planning to pursue him.”

If Roberts decides to play for the Sycamores, he would be eligible this fall because he would be dropping from NCAA Division I-A to I-AA. ISU finished 0-11 overall and 0-7 in the Gateway Conference in 2005.

According to the Ohio State Web site, the 5-foot-11, 185-pound Roberts made two tackles (one solo and one assist) in four games as a junior last season. A native of Toronto, Ontario, he also saw action in one game as a sophomore in 2004.

Meanwhile, running back Erik Haw has decided to transfer from Ohio State, apparently disappointed over his spot on the depth chart.

Haw, a third-year sophomore, asked for his release from the Buckeyes and the request was granted, Snapp told The Columbus Dispatch.

Haw figured to be the fourth-string tailback in the fall behind starter Antonio Pittman, Maurice Wells and freshman Chris Wells.
 
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ISU finished 0-11 overall and 0-7 in the Gateway Conference in 2005.

Jesus christ... No disrespect, but why on earth would you go to a 0-11 Indiana State team to play ball?

As far as I know, the academics arent that much to rave about either...
 
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merbele said:
They say UCLA... How and why I am not sure...
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Maybe I'm misreading your comment (regarding the "how"), but I definitely think that Haw has the talent to be a star at UCLA. I thought that of the backups last year, he showed much more ability to shine at the D-1 level than did MoWells. And that is not meant to be a shot at MoWells; rather, it is a recognition that Haw really showed some promise. Best of luck to him--I think we'll be hearing his name a lot for success on the field at UCLA.
 
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Oneshot said:
ISU finished 0-11 overall and 0-7 in the Gateway Conference in 2005.

Jesus christ... No disrespect, but why on earth would you go to a 0-11 Indiana State team to play ball?

As far as I know, the academics arent that much to rave about either...
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perhaps ISU was the best fit for his needs/abilities.
 
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Quantified Hit to APR

(J)uliet(L)ima(B)ravo - great post. You're taken a complex formula and broken it down into understandable lingo. Thanks.

It seems that when a kid comes in, sees that he's stuck behind some players and won't play, he transfers. The best the Buckeyes (or any other college team) can hope for is that he's eligible (and on track to graduate in his 5(?) years). Then the School's APR suffers by the amount of time he still has to go to get his/her degree.

In summary, it seems like this would change the recruiting stance from trying to get the best, but marginally eligible athletes (read that the SEC), to recruiting good, but highly eligible athletes, who will stick around for the four years and graduate with a free degree from a high academic rated university (preferably with some good grad schools), and cut a deal for them to stay and gain admittance to med, dent, law, or b-school.......

Or, recruit the best athlete, better students, and hope for the best. It seems like everything is getting more complicated and complex. But, in the end, it will be better for the student/athlete - not getting used up (when the eligibility is gone, so is he/she), and getting a usable degree (hopefully).

Just a Friday rant. Actually, it seems like this WILL help the kids, and that's really the deal.

:gobucks3: :gobucks4: :banger: I
 
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Quantified Hit to APR

(J)uliet(L)ima(B)ravo - great post. You're taken a complex formula and broken it down into understandable lingo. Thanks.

It seems that when a kid comes in, sees that he's stuck behind some players and won't play, he transfers. The best the Buckeyes (or any other college team) can hope for is that he's eligible (and on track to graduate in his 5(?) years). Then the School's APR suffers by the amount of time he still has to go to get his/her degree.

In summary, it seems like this would change the recruiting stance from trying to get the best, but marginally eligible athletes (read that the SEC), to recruiting good, but highly eligible athletes, who will stick around for the four years and graduate with a free degree from a high academic rated university (preferably with some good grad schools), and cut a deal for them to stay and gain admittance to med, dent, law, or b-school.......

Or, recruit the best athlete, better students, and hope for the best. It seems like everything is getting more complicated and complex. But, in the end, it will be better for the student/athlete - not getting used up (when the eligibility is gone, so is he/she), and getting a usable degree (hopefully).

Just a Friday rant. Actually, it seems like this WILL help the kids, and that's really the deal.

:gobucks3: :gobucks4: :banger: I see
 
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calibuck said:
(J)uliet(L)ima(B)ravo - great post. You're taken a complex formula and broken it down into understandable lingo. Thanks.

It seems that when a kid comes in, sees that he's stuck behind some players and won't play, he transfers. The best the Buckeyes (or any other college team) can hope for is that he's eligible (and on track to graduate in his 5(?) years). Then the School's APR suffers by the amount of time he still has to go to get his/her degree.

In summary, it seems like this would change the recruiting stance from trying to get the best, but marginally eligible athletes (read that the SEC), to recruiting good, but highly eligible athletes, who will stick around for the four years and graduate with a free degree from a high academic rated university (preferably with some good grad schools), and cut a deal for them to stay and gain admittance to med, dent, law, or b-school.......

Or, recruit the best athlete, better students, and hope for the best. It seems like everything is getting more complicated and complex. But, in the end, it will be better for the student/athlete - not getting used up (when the eligibility is gone, so is he/she), and getting a usable degree (hopefully).

Just a Friday rant. Actually, it seems like this WILL help the kids, and that's really the deal.

:gobucks3: :gobucks4: :banger: I
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For APR purposes, it doesn't matter if he leaves school as a freshman or a junior. How much more he has to go for a degree is not a factor for APR.
 
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