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BuckNutty;1139353; said:
Oh dude, so true.
I saw it on Myth Busters...it doesn't take much to make you fail. This MUST be what happened.
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Oh dude, so true.
I saw it on Myth Busters...it doesn't take much to make you fail. This MUST be what happened.
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GPA!?!?! I'll be laughing about that one all week!Dryden;1139337; said:
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zincfinger
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This gets to the point. Fundamentally, this isn't "just" about smoking pot (assuming that was what happened). Aside from your personal opinion on the seriousness of marijuana use, if you don't come down hard when someone repeatedly flouts organizational rules that have been clearly stated, and agreed to on both sides, you send the message that the rules themselves, as well as the people who set the rules and those who choose to follow them, are not things to be respected. No football team, indeed, no competitive organization, can be efficiently run on those grounds.WoodyWorshiper;1138602; said:
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Dryden;1139337; said:
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"This gets to the point. Fundamentally, this isn't "just" about smoking pot (assuming that was what happened). Aside from your personal opinion on the seriousness of marijuana use, if you don't come down hard when someone repeatedly flouts organizational rules that have been clearly stated, and agreed to on both sides, you send the message that the rules themselves, as well as the people who set the rules and those who choose to follow them, are not things to be respected. No football team, indeed, no competitive organization, can be efficiently run on those grounds."
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brodybuck21;1139374; said:"This gets to the point. Fundamentally, this isn't "just" about smoking pot (assuming that was what happened). Aside from your personal opinion on the seriousness of marijuana use, if you don't come down hard when someone repeatedly flouts organizational rules that have been clearly stated, and agreed to on both sides, you send the message that the rules themselves, as well as the people who set the rules and those who choose to follow them, are not things to be respected. No football team, indeed, no competitive organization, can be efficiently run on those grounds."
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Great point!
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The fact that some of us resent the endless speculation about this matter should not be interpreted wrongly, especially by newer posters here. We had our time of unrivalled speculation and false allegations during the Clarett era and the ESPiN attack on Ohio State. The rumors bordered on hysteria sometimes and people said things about players that should not have been said.
In this case, Mili first posted this rumor on behalf of Grad21, who was away from his computer. Neither of these posters would post anything on BP unless they were very certain of the veracity of the information. Said differently, I believe whatever they post, without exception, until proven differently.
What is not clear is what kind of drug test these players failed, whether a second test revealed the same outcome, or what the test showed. For instance, did the test results indicate that they might have smoked a joint in the last two weeks or that they had been using something much more seriously? Could they have been at a party and inhaled secondhand smoke for a couple of hours? Is this a Mythbusters poppy seed fiasco?
What is clear is that the players have not been suspended but they are being treated differently. But, they have not been openly charged with breaking team rules and, according to Mili, the spokesperson for Coach Tressel denies the rumor.
That brings me to my point. Why all this speculation and moral comment? If you don't trust the posters that posted this rumor, then you haven't been here very long. If it comes from Grad21 or Mili, you can take it to the bank. Still, endless speculation in a thread soon is accepted as fact, which leads to all kinds of other conclusions and speculation. None of which does these players or the Buckeyes any good.
I think zincfinger got it right. The real issue here is discipline. The problem is, from the content of this thread and public pronouncements, we don't know how severe the rule violation is or in fact much about it at all. So, please keep this in mind before you pronounce on this matter.
And, if you think these players are evil incarnate, take a visit to our Police / Legal Blotter thread. Be thankful we have one of the most mistake-free and cleanest programs in college football off-the-field. I'm betting that Coach Tressel is gonna keep it that way.
In this case, Mili first posted this rumor on behalf of Grad21, who was away from his computer. Neither of these posters would post anything on BP unless they were very certain of the veracity of the information. Said differently, I believe whatever they post, without exception, until proven differently.
What is not clear is what kind of drug test these players failed, whether a second test revealed the same outcome, or what the test showed. For instance, did the test results indicate that they might have smoked a joint in the last two weeks or that they had been using something much more seriously? Could they have been at a party and inhaled secondhand smoke for a couple of hours? Is this a Mythbusters poppy seed fiasco?
What is clear is that the players have not been suspended but they are being treated differently. But, they have not been openly charged with breaking team rules and, according to Mili, the spokesperson for Coach Tressel denies the rumor.
That brings me to my point. Why all this speculation and moral comment? If you don't trust the posters that posted this rumor, then you haven't been here very long. If it comes from Grad21 or Mili, you can take it to the bank. Still, endless speculation in a thread soon is accepted as fact, which leads to all kinds of other conclusions and speculation. None of which does these players or the Buckeyes any good.
I think zincfinger got it right. The real issue here is discipline. The problem is, from the content of this thread and public pronouncements, we don't know how severe the rule violation is or in fact much about it at all. So, please keep this in mind before you pronounce on this matter.
And, if you think these players are evil incarnate, take a visit to our Police / Legal Blotter thread. Be thankful we have one of the most mistake-free and cleanest programs in college football off-the-field. I'm betting that Coach Tressel is gonna keep it that way.
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Dryden;1139337; said:
That's it.
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Dryden, that is hilariously funny. I hear Bill Marr's gig might be available. Maybe you could moonlight and actually put some humor in his act of biting ______.Dryden;1139337; said:
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lvbuckeye
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i replied from several pages ago regarding the lynch mob mentality and vociferous desires to 86 the perps from the program, so if this has been covered, please disregard...
college kids (allegedly) smoking rope? shock! horrors! it's Armageddon! what's next? dogs and cats getting along? it's witchcraft! flay them all! burn them at the stake!
get a grip, people. is your self worth so wrapped up in the on-field success of a football team comprised of mainly 18-22 year old college kids that you forget that off the field they are still 18-22 year old college kids? college kids do all kinds of dumb shit. it's part of being a college kid and part of growing up here in this thing that many people refer to as the real world.
kicking the (alleged) perps out won't do a lick of good, and if anything will push them in the wrong direction. what the (alleged) perps need more than anything else is to be around their (supposedly) less offending teammates. they get structure and discipline there, something that won't be afforded to them if they are off the team.
college kids (allegedly) smoking rope? shock! horrors! it's Armageddon! what's next? dogs and cats getting along? it's witchcraft! flay them all! burn them at the stake!
get a grip, people. is your self worth so wrapped up in the on-field success of a football team comprised of mainly 18-22 year old college kids that you forget that off the field they are still 18-22 year old college kids? college kids do all kinds of dumb shit. it's part of being a college kid and part of growing up here in this thing that many people refer to as the real world.
kicking the (alleged) perps out won't do a lick of good, and if anything will push them in the wrong direction. what the (alleged) perps need more than anything else is to be around their (supposedly) less offending teammates. they get structure and discipline there, something that won't be afforded to them if they are off the team.
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We're not taking about "college kids" here, we're talking about world class semi-professional athletes who are paid (in the form of a free education) to play football and follow the (very simple) rules; they are not given scholarships so that they can engage in the typicial "dumb shit" that is "part of a college kid growing up". Is it a higher standard (no pun intended)? Of course it is, but we do (and should) expect more from the gifted people.lvbuckeye;1140862; said:
Your argument about the players being able to "get structure and discipline" from being part of the team has some merit, but at some point the kids have to demonstrate that they can actually live with the level of "structure and discipline" that is required of an Ohio State football player.
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Absolutely, LJB. It wouldn't appear that they got too much structure and discipline, if the rumors are true.LordJeffBuck;1140893; said:
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I didn't understand LV to be saying there should be no discipline or what have you from the team just that there seems to be un-reasonable expectations from some folks. In other words, I understood LV to be saying, questioning a kid's moral fiber bla bla bla just because it's possible he smoked some weed isn't cool. But, it's perfectly acceptable that Tressel isn't throwing his hand up saying "Boys will be boys" and letting them participate as if nothing happened. In fact, I read him to be saying, the fact that they're still on the team, surrounded by "good examples" or whatever, doing their "time" in the form of punishment, is good for them - the notion of kicking off the team too harsh.
In this regard, I agree with him. Damn near everyone I know was once a pot smoker and not one of them is a waste of life. Most of them are reasonably successful in life, even though they smoked pot in college. They're not devil's spawn at all. Now, if a kid get's "busted" every six months for the same problem, I'd agree maybe it's time to say "Sorry, kid, can't help ya" and move on, but I don't think that's what we have here just yet.
In this regard, I agree with him. Damn near everyone I know was once a pot smoker and not one of them is a waste of life. Most of them are reasonably successful in life, even though they smoked pot in college. They're not devil's spawn at all. Now, if a kid get's "busted" every six months for the same problem, I'd agree maybe it's time to say "Sorry, kid, can't help ya" and move on, but I don't think that's what we have here just yet.
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IIRC, I read an article about a former QB under Woody, where the QB said he snorted coke in the huddle at times. Are you saying Woody didn't provide structure and discipline?
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You mean individuals still ultimatley make their own decisions regardless of the structured on non-structured enviroment they are in. The craziness of some people!
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