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Comparisons between LSU v OSU defensive personnel

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most rational LSU fans don't think Hester is better than Wells. Wells' stats do not lie. He is a stud and imho he is the key to the game. LSU fans think Hester is Superman, and why not? His effort and desire epitomizes the intensity that got the Tigers through their tough schedule and in the BCSCG. Insofar as Kieland Williams is concerned we see his "potential" and flashes of brilliance and think he could be and should be our Beanie Wells. Most Tiger fans have thought all year long that KW should have had far more touches but he hesitates at the line and doesn't seem able to hit the hole as needed.
 
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kcal;1040422; said:
most rational LSU fans don't think Hester is better than Wells. Wells' stats do not lie. He is a stud and imho he is the key to the game. LSU fans think Hester is Superman, and why not? His effort and desire epitomizes the intensity that got the Tigers through their tough schedule and in the BCSCG. Insofar as Kieland Williams is concerned we see his "potential" and flashes of brilliance and think he could be and should be our Beanie Wells. Most Tiger fans have thought all year long that KW should have had far more touches but he hesitates at the line and doesn't seem able to hit the hole as needed.
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Trust me no one thinks Hester and Williams are better than Wells. sluTiger is just that annoying cousin everyone wishes would stop talking.

Hester is a beast and my favorite player on the team and our MVP for the year in my opinion. Williams has all the talent in the world and has had some big time plays, but he still struggles running the ball inside. Our five headed running attack together works out very well when everything's clicking.

Hester and Scott get the tough inside yards, Williams and Murphy can take the ball outside and are homerun hitters with decent hands, and Holliday is the speed guy that usually gets put in in the 2nd half when teams are tired. But no one thinks that individually any of them are better than Wells. Keiland Williams has the talent to be as good maybe, but he hasn't realized that potential yet.


You guys will enjoy how Hester runs though. Well, not enjoy I guess but you'll see how he just manages to get every yard he possibly can. But, like I've said, Wells is individually better than any of our running backs.
 
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I posted this on the game discussion board, but it may get lost.....so I'll also post it here.

I'm not sure why the LSU defensive line gets so much love. Here is where they rank in some key categories, in comparison to OSU.

Sacks: 32 sacks in 13 games (ranked 32nd in country), compared to OSU's 42 sacks in 12 games (3rd in country).

Tackles for loss: 78 TFL in 13 games (70th in country), compared to OSU's 100 in 12 games (6th in country).

Rushing defense: 103.1 Yards per game (14th in country), compared to OSU's 77.1 YPG (3rd in country).

I know that one could argue that Dorsey was knicked up, and that is fair. I guess I just find it amusing to read about how great the LSU defensive line has been, when they have been far from dominant. If you go back through history, the stats don't lie when it comes to rating a defensive line over the span of a season.

I've spoken to some who are in the know and have heard whispers that the OSU coaching staff thinks that they can run the ball on LSU......well. This will force LSU to have to blitz, and it will open up the over the top plays. The media is fooling themselves if they think that LSU will get pressure with their front 4 alone.......no team has done that all season on OSU (consistently). And I'll just nip off the whole "LSU has played better competition argument", they haven't played a team like OSU........so it's trite, and a bit washed out.

If any LSU fan wants to argue my point, please back yourself up statistically. That is the only way that I will give the discussion any credibility.
 
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daddyphatsacs;1041977; said:
I posted this on the game discussion board, but it may get lost.....so I'll also post it here.

I'm not sure why the LSU defensive line gets so much love. Here is where they rank in some key categories, in comparison to OSU.

Sacks: 32 sacks in 13 games (ranked 32nd in country), compared to OSU's 42 sacks in 12 games (3rd in country).

Tackles for loss: 78 TFL in 13 games (70th in country), compared to OSU's 100 in 12 games (6th in country).

Rushing defense: 103.1 Yards per game (14th in country), compared to OSU's 77.1 YPG (3rd in country).

I know that one could argue that Dorsey was knicked up, and that is fair. I guess I just find it amusing to read about how great the LSU defensive line has been, when they have been far from dominant. If you go back through history, the stats don't lie when it comes to rating a defensive line over the span of a season.

I've spoken to some who are in the know and have heard whispers that the OSU coaching staff thinks that they can run the ball on LSU......well. This will force LSU to have to blitz, and it will open up the over the top plays. The media is fooling themselves if they think that LSU will get pressure with their front 4 alone.......no team has done that all season on OSU (consistently). And I'll just nip off the whole "LSU has played better competition argument", they haven't played a team like OSU........so it's trite, and a bit washed out.

If any LSU fan wants to argue my point, please back yourself up statistically. That is the only way that I will give the discussion any credibility.
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Very Nice post Daddy. They will counter with their speed arguement even though it remains to be seen just how fast they will be with their rebuttal and it is true that this game could hinge on the play of their DE's and our Tackles.
 
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the other thing is that it's not we haven't been hurt by injuries on the DL, either. even if we were able to find good replacements for wilson, i don't think anybody could make the claim that our DL wouldn't have been better with him available during the year.

(wow, two double negatives, i'm awesome)
 
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Electron Boy;1042024; said:
the other thing is that it's not we haven't been hurt by injuries on the DL, either. even if we were able to find good replacements for wilson, i don't think anybody could make the claim that our DL wouldn't have been better with him available during the year.

(wow, two double negatives, i'm awesome)
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Not to mention that Denlinger and other DT's have been banged up as well.
 
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I read a $BN post by an "Xs and Os" guy that broke down LSU defensive packages, play-by-play, from the Auburn game. He chose the Auburn game because their sets most closely resemble ours. I went to the NCAA stats page to see how Auburn did during the game, which was at Baton Rouge. Auburn managed only 316 totals yards, including only 97 yards rushing, but still put up 24 points (all by offense). I then looked at Auburn's offensive stats for the season: #101 total, #56 rushing, #107 passing, #82 scoring. Not very good, to say the least. Then I also noticed that Auburn scored fewer points against eight--that's eight--teams:

Kansas St 23 (home)
South Florida 23 (home)
Mississippi St 14 (home)
Florida 20 (away)
Arkansas 9 (away)
Mississippi 17 (home)
Georgia 20 (away)
Alabama 17 (home)

In fact, Auburn score more points against only three teams:

New Mexico St. 55 (home)
Vanderbilt 35 (home)
Tennessee Tech 35 (home)

Now, DBB may come up with some more appropriate and accurate stats, but the above tells me that if a team as inept as Auburn, who runs a similar scheme as us, can put up 24 points at LSU--more than they did against eight other teams--then I like our chances of being able to put up 30+ on LSU on Jan 7th. If we do that, I don't see us losing...
 
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daddyphatsacs;1041977; said:
I posted this on the game discussion board, but it may get lost.....so I'll also post it here.

I'm not sure why the LSU defensive line gets so much love. Here is where they rank in some key categories, in comparison to OSU.

Sacks: 32 sacks in 13 games (ranked 32nd in country), compared to OSU's 42 sacks in 12 games (3rd in country).

Tackles for loss: 78 TFL in 13 games (70th in country), compared to OSU's 100 in 12 games (6th in country).

Rushing defense: 103.1 Yards per game (14th in country), compared to OSU's 77.1 YPG (3rd in country).


If any LSU fan wants to argue my point, please back yourself up statistically. That is the only way that I will give the discussion any credibility.
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Strength of Schedule

Ohio State - 75th. It is entirely possible that your defensive stats are padded because you hardly played any good teams this year.
 
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Bill Lucas;1042377; said:
I'm not sure where you got your Strength of Schedule ratings. Ohio State comes in at 36. Here's the link. http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/2007/Internet/toughest%20schedule/ia_9games_cumm.pdf
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That factors in LSU, who we have yet to play. This does have us at 75, but LSU isn't all that much higher at 57 so I don't know what he's squawking about....I never do.

College Football Strength of Schedule From TeamRankings.com

This has us at 44, with LSU at 26. Either/or, LSU's schedule is not that much stronger than ours...as much as some might like to believe it is.
 
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MililaniBuckeye;1042319; said:
I read a post by an "Xs and Os" guy that broke down LSU defensive packages, play-by-play, from the Auburn game. He chose the Auburn game because their sets most closely resemble ours. I went to the NCAA stats page to see how Auburn did during the game, which was at Baton Rouge. Auburn managed only 316 totals yards, including only 97 yards rushing, but still put up 24 points (all by offense). I then looked at Auburn's offensive stats for the season: #101 total, #56 rushing, #107 passing, #82 scoring. Not very good, to say the least. Then I also noticed that Auburn scored fewer points against eight--that's eight--teams:

Kansas St 23 (home)
South Florida 23 (home)
Mississippi St 14 (home)
Florida 20 (away)
Arkansas 9 (away)
Mississippi 17 (home)
Georgia 20 (away)
Alabama 17 (home)
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I suspect that Auburn's lack of offensive production is mostly attributable to them starting three true freshmen on their o-line: Lee Ziemba, Chaz Ramsey, and Ryan Pugh. Ohio State's o-line is much more seasoned. Jim Cordle, a redshirt sophomore, is the youngster.
 
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pokey;1042393; said:
I suspect that Auburn's lack of offensive production is mostly attributable to them starting three true freshmen on their o-line: Lee Ziemba, Chaz Ramsey, and Ryan Pugh. Ohio State's o-line is much more seasoned. Jim Cordle, a redshirt sophomore, is the youngster.
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I think that was the point.:wink:
 
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