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shetuck;1009753; said:
wouldn't it also have to be true that racists would have to become "enlightened" somehow that they're missing out on a large pool of candidates who could be the best guy for the job?
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I think I understand the question. See if this works:
You and I are both athletic directors. I only hire whites, you hire whoever, regardless of race. Maybe for the first bunch of years, we're pretty equal. The white coach I have is pretty good. But then our coaches both retires or go on to bigger and better things, or whatever. We both hire new coaches. Again, we're pretty equal. And we go for a bunch of coaching generations. We stay fairly equal. You might have some good runs on me, and I might have some good runs on you. But somewhere down the line, I'm going to pass over a black guy who is the perfect fit for my team, and you're going to get him. And he just might have a stretch of 10-15 years where my team only wins 2 or 3 times. I try coach after coach. Head Coach of Zurp University loses its luster (Ok - pretend it was a good job to start with). I can't get recruits. In the end, you remain a power house, and I become a mid-major, at best.

If I never become "enlightened," I may stay in my hole. But for everyone who knows the history, they know not to repeat it.
 
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Zurp;1009876; said:
If I never become "enlightened," I may stay in my hole. But for everyone who knows the history, they know not to repeat it.
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Your scenario is very clear, but do you really think that those who "know the history" would be able to reduce things down to the fact that Shetuck U's AD didn't discriminate, while Zurp U's did? It seems to me that a million other reasons would be given as to why your program slid.

I don't think discrimination is so much an intellectual choice or has any raitonal underpinning, but rather more rooted in ignorance (as opposed to stupidity) and coercive emotions/feelings that arise out of faulty generalizations. As such, I don't think taking a rational look back at history will necessarily clear away misconceptions. As odd as it may sound, your people who "know" already know. No lessons of history would be needed there, I think.
 
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What I'd like to see is some statistical analysis of the coordinators who are given HC positions and of assistant coaches promoted into coordinator jobs. Should that show that white coordinators are x times more likely to get tapped on the shoulder for a HC job or that white assistants are x times more likely to get bumped up to coordinator, then I think you would have a conceivable argument that the game is stacked and the coaching pipeline skewed towards moving whites up.

Personally, I have no idea how the data would shake out, but I'd find it more useful to addressing the issue than the A&M case in isolation.
 
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It seems pretty clear they didn't have a process at all, so they likely discriminated against a long list of people, probably including better candidates.
English seems to be getting suprisingly little chatter to replace Carr. Martin missed his chance to talk Ron up in the piece.
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This season cost both assistants a lot, but Debord was the more likely replacement before the OSU game last year.
 
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the REAL issue in these hirings is the continued use of recycled coaches.

I'm sick of seeing the same names, especially when these same names continually fail. Yet the coaching fraternity continues to remain limited to these said failures.
 
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[quote='BusNative;100997;6]Dammit, if only this weren't such a good point... :scum4:[/quote]

let me start by seconding that :scum4:

do you guys seriously think English isn't being considered by Martin? i'd find that hard to believe, his team's performance nothwithstanding.

where's lee bollinger when you need him... oh, never mind, he's busy giving air time to lunatic megolamaniacs to come and speak in from of ivy league students.
 
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OHSportsFan9;1010206; said:
the REAL issue in these hirings is the continued use of recycled coaches.

I'm sick of seeing the same names, especially when these same names continually fail. Yet the coaching fraternity continues to remain limited to these said failures.
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thats a fantastic point. in most of our lines of work i would assume that once you get fired from two jobs for the same thing you'd be pretty hard pressed to find someone to give you a third chance.

there are plenty of fantastic coaches in lower divisions or non BCS conferences that deserve a shot before someone who's been fired from 2 or 3 different positions for sucking.
 
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fourteenandoh;1010623; said:
thats a fantastic point. in most of our lines of work i would assume that once you get fired from two jobs for the same thing you'd be pretty hard pressed to find someone to give you a third chance.

there are plenty of fantastic coaches in lower divisions or non BCS conferences that deserve a shot before someone who's been fired from 2 or 3 different positions for sucking.
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I would guess, though, that coaching styles play a role in this, as well. Coach A tried to run a passing-style offense at a school that is used to running the ball up the gut every play. He got fired, and then he goes to a smaller school that needs to pass more to be competitive. In that sense, I believe, "failure" may not be the right word. He may have failed to succeed at that job, but he may be the right coach at the next team.

I'm sure, though, that there are plenty of examples of coaches who continue to fail, like you said. I don't have an answer to that. But I would imagine that the athletic directors have the right to make their own decisions. I think what bothers me is like when Ohio State fired Head Basketball Coach Randy Ayers, and hired Jim O'Brien. They fired a black dude and hired a white guy. I remember hearing all kinds of rumblings that Ohio State should have kept the population of black coaches the same by hiring a black coach. Ohio State should be allowed to hire whomever they want. Insisting that they, or anyone, hire a black coach is as bad as the athletic director who insists on hiring a white coach.
 
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