College Playoff

[AuburnBuckeye]

There's a difference between being able to hang with the big dogs, and actually going undefeated over a 13 game schedule that includes 5 or 6 big dogs. There are probably 20-30 teams every year that can hang with the big dogs, at least on occasion. To my mind, an undefeated team that runs through the season playing a bunch of weak-to-middling opponents, and capping it off with one good win against a big dog, is not in the same category as going undefeated over the schedule that includes multiple big dogs throughout the season.

Well stated, positive rep for you.

 

[DaddyBigBucks]

This argument has quite a bit of merit, I just think this system is quite a bit more entertaining. It could make the sport better, or it could be a total colossal failure and ruin the sport, I just think the former is more likely.

How does one reach the age where one can type on a computer and still have that much faith in the powers-that-be?

And that is why this whole thing is a matter of opinion, whether or not you think the reward is enough to constitute the risk involved.

I agree. In fact, I said long ago that this is about your standard of value. The discussion is purely academic, and no one involved has any power to make a change anyway.

So why has this thread added a bajillion pages in the last few days?

 

[AuburnBuckeye]

How does one reach the age where one can type on a computer and still have that much faith in the powers-that-be?

Call me optimistic.

I agree. In fact, I said long ago that this is about your standard of value. The discussion is purely academic, and no one involved has any power to make a change anyway.

So why has this thread added a bajillion pages in the last few days?

Hot button issues tend to do that. If I started spouting off at the mouth about politics there would be an army of people coming on here to state there opinions on the matter.

 

[Jaxbuck]

How does one reach the age where one can type on a computer and still have that much faith in the powers-that-be?

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

But in the BCS, teams like USC and Texas get screwed over. In a playoff teams like BSU and TCU get the shaft. Those are a couple of high quality teams, but they are definetley not on the level of UT and USC. Ideally no one should get screwed, so if you show me a system that can do that i'm all aboard.

So, i was right... you're only interested in a certain kind of fairness.

Gotcha.

 

[AuburnBuckeye]

So, i was right... you're only interested in a certain kind of fairness.

Gotcha.

There is no system that eliminates this problem. I'm not a magician. I am for the type of system that only hoses a 2-3 loss team instead of an undefeated or one loss team. You are for the system that hoses an undefeated or one loss team. So yes, I am interested in a certain kind of fairness, but you are for an arguably worse kind of fairness.

 

[Jaxbuck]

There is no system that eliminates this problem. I'm not a magician.

But you are willing to run the risk of ruining the CFB regular season to replace one kind of unfairness with another.

That doesn't make sense.

 

[AuburnBuckeye]

But you are willing to run the risk of ruining the CFB regular season to replace one kind of unfairness with another.

That doesn't make sense.

The difference is, that the unfairness i'm for puts it on a team that would normally not even get a shot at the title anyway so it makes no difference. It could be argued that the BCS is unfair for 3-10 while the playoff is unfair for 9-10.

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

There is no system that eliminates this problem. I'm not a magician. I am for the type of system that only hoses a 2-3 loss team instead of an undefeated or one loss team. You are for the system that hoses an undefeated or one loss team. So yes, I am interested in a certain kind of fairness, but you are for an arguably worse kind of fairness.

Not to pile on to what Jax said, but....

If there is not the elimination of a problem, why change it? Incidentally, Boise State was 12-0 when the final BCS poll came out, not a 2 or 3 loss team (Ohio State and TCU each had 2 at the time).

If these undefeated or 1 loss teams don't want to be "hosed" then they should play harder schedules (HEY! More great games!!!) or not fucking lose.

As for me arguing for a "worse kind of fairness" I've made no bones about it - I could give a fucking shit about fair. Don't ever suggest that I'm arguing fairness. I'm certainly not.

 

[AuburnBuckeye]

So basically for a #9 team the situation goes like this: BCS- We had no shot at the title. Playoff- We barely missed and we feel as though we should have made it. So really it's not like the BCS is doing a #9 team any favors, they're not getting a shot at the title either way.

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

The difference is, that the unfairness i'm for puts it on a team that would normally not even get a shot at the title anyway so it makes no difference. It could be argued that the BCS is unfair for 3-10 while the playoff is unfair for 9-10.

It's also unfair to the MAC, the WAC, the MWC most years, the Sun Belt, etc., and also to whatever "power" conference is perceived as weak - the Pac 10, Big 10 and ACC.

It's quite fair to the Big XII and SEC though..

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

So basically for a #9 team the situation goes like this: BCS- We had no shot at the title. Playoff- We barely missed and we feel as though we should have made it. So really it's not like the BCS is doing a #9 team any favors, they're not getting a shot at the title either way.

Your point being what? If it was my contention that the BCS helped Boise in this situation your remark would have some relevance to me. As it is, I think you're ignoring the fact that I could give less than a shit about "fair"

My entire point is playoff proponents toss the word "fair" around but they don't really mean it.

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

Oh..
and USC...

it'd be fair to them too.

 

[AuburnBuckeye]

If these undefeated or 1 loss teams don't want to be "hosed" then they should play harder schedules (HEY! More great games!!!) or not [censored]ing lose.

Auburn was undefeated in 04 and they played a difficult SEC schedule. (Albeit a very soft non-conference schedule) What could they have done to change what happened to them?

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

Auburn was undefeated in 04 and they played a difficult SEC schedule. (Albeit a very soft non-conference schedule) What could they have done to change what happened to them?

You answered your own question....

here's what you do Auburn:

Don't play the fucking Citadel.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again.. if playing YSU hurts Ohio State getting to the Championship game, too fucking bad, Buckeyes. You get what you asked for.