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Jaxbuck said:
It's only the CFP games that might compete with NFL I thought, not the regular season?
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Well, I guess I read more into Captain Buckeye's post than he posted. "CFB should try 1 year of competing with the NFL." I read that as trying to compete for a full year. Schedule some NFL games on Saturday and some college games on Sunday and Monday night. But he didn't actually say that so I shouldn't have responded that he did say that.

If we're talking just college playoff games vs. the NFL at that time:
It sounds like Round 2 of the college games will be bowl games. 6 years out of 7 there will be no competition with the NFL.
Round 1 will be 1-2 weeks before, which is before NFL playoffs. I think CFP will only compete with the NFL games that are on Saturday - usually not a game the world will care about. So, maybe the college games will do okay.
If we try to put Round 3 (which will be the Final Four) against NFL playoff games, CFP may do pretty well. This would be like Ohio State - Georgia vs. maybe Round 1 or 2 of the NFL playoffs... so... I don't follow NFL well enough... maybe Buffalo vs. Cincinnati (like Capt Buckeye said). CFP might win that battle for more viewers. And then the national championship game would be against Kansas City vs. Cincinnati. I think you'll get a lot of people channel-flipping, and watching the more exciting game. So, that's fine.
But what I would worry about is the NFL saying, "Okay, you want a war? Well, we found a way out of this agreement we have that says we won't schedule regular season games on a Saturday." (I'm not sure where I read that there even is an agreement - So it may not even be a thing.) The NFL might start scheduling regular season games on Saturdays.
I think that even if the CFP can hold their own against NFL playoff games, as far as ratings go, the NFL will crush college football in the regular season. And maybe open a minor league system where players can enter right out of high school. NIL makes this less likely to be a thing, but I don't think CFP should fire the opening shot.
 
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Jaxbuck said:
that's why I said CFB, not the NCAA. They are a dead org walking.
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"CFB" isn't an organization or anything though. It's a tab on ESPN' website.
What is "CFB" going to do exactly?

Whatever you want to call The Man running this show, the same points stand. The TV Networks control whether there will or won't be a "war" with NFL, and who wins that war is also decided by the Networks.
 
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kujirakira said:
"CFB" isn't an organization or anything though. It's a tab on ESPN' website.
What is "CFB" going to do exactly?

Whatever you want to call The Man running this show, the same points stand. The TV Networks control whether there will or won't be a "war" with NFL, and who wins that war is also decided by the Networks.
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CFB to me = the powers that be. Some group, led by a few guys is driving all this.

My point of a "war" is simply that no one wins competing against the NFL for eyeballs so if it can possibly be avoided, they should do so.
 
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Zurp said:
I'm confident that The Game will outdraw most regular season NFL games, but I think head-to-head, most Ohio State games are not going to beat out the average Monday Night game. Ohio State-Notre Dame might beat out most NFL games. But remember that the rest of the games are Ohio State-Purdue and Ohio State-Rutgers, and Ohio State-Minnesota. Only Ohio State fans care. And Ohio State has a much larger fan base than most teams. NFL Team A vs. NFL Team B - if either of the teams is in a playoff hunt, the rest of the NFL has a rooting interest. Average college football fans have a rooting interest in Ohio State-Rutgers right up until the end of the first quarter when Ohio State scores their third touchdown.
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We said the same thing.
 
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kujirakira said:
"CFB" isn't an organization or anything though. It's a tab on ESPN' website.
What is "CFB" going to do exactly?

Whatever you want to call The Man running this show, the same points stand. The TV Networks control whether there will or won't be a "war" with NFL, and who wins that war is also decided by the Networks.
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Who negotiates the TV contracts for the universities? The conference commissioners? I figure they’re the ones making these decisions, although I suppose they answer to the university presidents.
 
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CincyInterloper said:
Who negotiates the TV contracts for the universities? The conference commissioners? I figure they’re the ones making these decisions, although I suppose they answer to the university presidents.
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Interesting you should bring this up Loper. I listened to a podcast recently (Split Zone Duo) and they believe that the age of the old conference commissioners being well networked university administrators (Slive, Delaney...etc) and now conference commissioner's are essentially going to be TV executives whose performance will be tied to TV revenue (both streaming and traditional).
 
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BigWoof31 said:
Interesting you should bring this up Loper. I listened to a podcast recently (Split Zone Duo) and they believe that the age of the old conference commissioners being well networked university administrators (Slive, Delaney...etc) and now conference commissioner's are essentially going to be TV executives whose performance will be tied to TV revenue (both streaming and traditional).
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Sounds to me like maybe their interests are not going to be fully aligned with those of the universities going forward.
 
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CincyInterloper said:
Who negotiates the TV contracts for the universities? The conference commissioners? I figure they’re the ones making these decisions, although I suppose they answer to the university presidents.
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None of whom can agree on much of anything.
This round of network rights has already been hashed out, ND notwithstanding.

So.... you're saying it leaves the tv people running the show.
If only i had suggested that to start with.
 
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BigWoof31 said:
Interesting you should bring this up Loper. I listened to a podcast recently (Split Zone Duo) and they believe that the age of the old conference commissioners being well networked university administrators (Slive, Delaney...etc) and now conference commissioner's are essentially going to be TV executives whose performance will be tied to TV revenue (both streaming and traditional).
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kujirakira said:
None of whom can agree on much of anything.
This round of network rights has already been hashed out, ND notwithstanding.

So.... you're saying it leaves the tv people running the show.
If only i had suggested that to start with.
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This is part of what some of us have been saying about a fundamental shift in the way some schools are going to have to manage some sports teams.

A few schools have found themselves proud owners of successful pro sports franchises. Running a pro sports franchise and running a University are two different things. They won't be able to keep up the false narrative of the student athlete in these type of programs forever.

The real bitch is going to be, because of government involvement, they are going to be forced to treat the multi million dollar sport like football the same as they treat the unprofitable sports who's players are more like the old student athlete archetype.

I think everyone understands that government funding drives Title 9 stuff and that Universities aren't going to stop taking that money so that is why I still think this is driving toward some kind of legal split between Universities and their pro football teams. The schools can still own the rights and all that but some kind of firewall is going to need to be there in order to avoid all the workarounds that will come from trying to treat the football players like the field hockey players.

The media rights people being in charge is only going to hasten that imo. As I said before, they aren't going to let Johnny Six Gun's Econ 101 final get in the way of money.
 
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Jaxbuck said:
This is part of what some of us have been saying about a fundamental shift in the way some schools are going to have to manage some sports teams.

A few schools have found themselves proud owners of successful pro sports franchises. Running a pro sports franchise and running a University are two different things. They won't be able to keep up the false narrative of the student athlete in these type of programs forever.

The real bitch is going to be, because of government involvement, they are going to be forced to treat the multi million dollar sport like football the same as they treat the unprofitable sports who's players are more like the old student athlete archetype.

I think everyone understands that government funding drives Title 9 stuff and that Universities aren't going to stop taking that money so that is why I still think this is driving toward some kind of legal split between Universities and their pro football teams. The schools can still own the rights and all that but some kind of firewall is going to need to be there in order to avoid all the workarounds that will come from trying to treat the football players like the field hockey players.

The media rights people being in charge is only going to hasten that imo. As I said before, they aren't going to let Johnny Six Gun's Econ 101 final get in the way of money.
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For now i think they will be protected from Title IX drama since the University doesn't control Image rights or what the football players will get from private sponsorships.
Not sure if that's direction you were headed, but i see Title IX and have to read between the lines.

As far as treatment - we've already been in an era where "tutors" are basically doing coursework for some (many) of these athletes. And academic departments have long been cowtowed into concessions and special circumstances for tests, etc.
This is before accounting for the wild grade inflation across all US academics in the last 20 years. Where 4.0 out of HS is meaningless, and 3.0 out of Uni is what a 2.0 used to be.
Katzenmoyer would be an easy C student in this era, no questions asked. Maybe even a B student with tutors like Rashan Gary had in the Amz docuseries.
Even at the military academies, they get different food from the rest of the brigade. They have tutors not available to the rest of the brigade. They are by default excused from all parades and other "character building" extracurricular shenanigans -- even outside their sport' season.
And this is at an institution where maybe 1 player in 4 years has credibly gone to the NFL. Where their non-service rival is losing to ND 9 times out of 10, but now in Ireland!

I guess im saying, all this groundwork had already been laid and beaten to death. Professors lost these battles in the Cooper era.
 
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