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Best Buckeye;1006284; said:
If you have a reason why there should be a playoff post it.
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So that the two teams playing in the national title game have proved it on the field against indisputable competition. There, I said it. If you need me to elaborate, it's in the thread.

Sorry, but neither Ohio State, West Virginia, or Missouri have played any teams worthy of being considered top tier teams.
 
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I am a long time opponent of a playoff (anything more than 4 teams) for the very reason that I could live with one this year. In almost every season one or two teams - sometimes three - separate themselves from the pack.

This year nobody has, so what the hell.

But unless what we are seeing this year becomes the norm, I stay with my original position. What you have accomplished over a 12 games season should count for more than the one game you played against the #8 seed in the rain with your starting quarterback on the bench with a concussion.

And without reading all the new posts in this thread since the last time I visited, has anyone come up with the playoff scenario that appropriately addresses this year's SEC? Particularly if Tenn wins next Saturday.
 
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Oh8ch;1006717; said:
But unless what we are seeing this year becomes the norm, I stay with my original position. What you have accomplished over a 12 games season should count for more than the one game you played against the #8 seed in the rain with your starting quarterback on the bench with a concussion.
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I didn't know playing football in the rain wasn't playing football. That sounds like an SEC complaint.

Bottom Line: Most years, that #8 seed will be better than 11 or 12 of your opponents. Sorry, but beating teams like East Carolina and Akron do little to show me any team's worth. They are important games for a team to grow. But they mean jack shit to show if a team is national championship calibar - unless of course you put up 66 on one of those teams - then the media crowns your ass.

And I don't know why we always try to debate the playoff format. It's simple. Five teams from the champions of the major conferences, and then 3 at-large teams. (I don't count the Big East as a major conference). If you're the ninth team, bitch and moan to yourself. The regular season has to mean something and if you didn't put yourself in the top 8, then imagine where you'd be in the shitty BCS.
 
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OH10;1006728; said:
IAnd I don't know why we always try to debate the playoff format. It's simple. Five teams from the champions of the major conferences, and then 3 at-large teams. (I don't count the Big East as a major conference). If you're the ninth team, bitch and moan to yourself. The regular season has to mean something and if you didn't put yourself in the top 8, then imagine where you'd be in the shitty BCS.
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And that right there says everything about why there will never be a playoff system. , because someone will always be unsatisfied and whine and moan just like they do now. You are not fixing the problem you are just moving the dynamics of it.
 
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Best Buckeye;1006733; said:
And that right there says everything about why there will never be a playoff system. , because someone will always be unsatisfied and whine and moan just like they do now. You are not fixing the problem you are just moving the dynamics of it.
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while it's not a "fix" having the odd man out at number 9, 13, or whatever seems more fair than numbers 3,4,5,6 .. keep the bowls, keep the bcs forumla, take the top 12 teams and go play for it.
 
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Best Buckeye;1006733; said:
And that right there says everything about why there will never be a playoff system. , because someone will always be unsatisfied and whine and moan just like they do now. You are not fixing the problem you are just moving the dynamics of it.
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It's the same thing in the NCAA tournament. Some 19-12 team is bitching because their bubble got burst. But I don't see anyone arguing that we should just scrap the tournament and have the top two teams, subjectively decided by the wisemen in the media, play for the national title.

And the dynamics change to improvement the system - not to perfect it. Perfection is the aspiration of fools.
 
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I think there will be a playoff when the money from it reaches a point where the college Presidents decide they must do something to protect the "integrity" of the game. It may never happen as long as the bowls bring in adequate funding. The institutions and Presidents do not care who wins enough to rock the boat.

A playoff would be interesting, but I usually enjoy the controversy and bellyaching involved with the current system. You would go from teams #3-10 crying about lack of respect to teams 9-15 crying about being left out. I like it more when the crying is coming from the elite progams.

Besides, it would have to be at least a 12-16 team playoff in order to allow any teams other than the SEC in :biggrin:
 
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Id prefer to require all BCS eligible teams to play 2 OOC BCS eligible teams from different conferences. That would create enough interconference play to make a good comparison.

If there is any playoff system at all it should be limited to 4 teams max. Those could easily be setup as new years bowl games while pushing the championship back a week... or playing them a week earlier.
 
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HailToMichigan;1006963; said:
What's wrong with controversy? I for one have never understood the need to end all arguments on the subject. And I don't see how a playoff would even do that.
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It's not about ending controversy. It's about ensuring that deserving teams have an opportunity to prove they are the best. I'm sure Auburn fans aren't saying to themselves: "You know it sucks that we went undefeated and didn't have a chance to be champs. But I love the controversy."

This "you had the regular season" shit is worthless. If West Virginia played the same schedule as Georgia, LSU or USC, then maybe (maybe) there would be an argument that they proved it in the regular season. They didn't prove shit. Missouri has barely proved shit. Ohio State hasn't proven a damn thing. And yet these are the teams that have a chance to be the champs? Ridiculous. The system was designed by idiots and continues to be supported by idiots.
 
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So if none of these teams has proved anything, how do we decide which teams are deserving of the opportunity to prove they're the best, and which ones aren't?

4 team playoff? Mizzou, OSU, WVU, LSU? 6 teams....add USC and OU? 8 teams....maybe UGA, KU? What about VT, Oregon? BC? ASU? Hawaii? BYU? This isn't the season that proves we need a playoff, in fact it's just the exact opposite. Pick any four, six, eight, or twelve teams to play for the title and I promise you will leave out some candidates that have just as much right to be in as the lucky chosen few.
 
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HailToMichigan;1007011; said:
So if none of these teams has proved anything, how do we decide which teams are deserving of the opportunity to prove they're the best, and which ones aren't?

4 team playoff? Mizzou, OSU, WVU, LSU? 6 teams....add USC and OU? 8 teams....maybe UGA, KU? What about VT, Oregon? BC? ASU? Hawaii? BYU? This isn't the season that proves we need a playoff, in fact it's just the exact opposite. Pick any four, six, eight, or twelve teams to play for the title and I promise you will leave out some candidates that have just as much right to be in as the lucky chosen few.
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Like I said before - you have the same bitching with the NCAA tournament. Yet I never hear that they should just scrap the thing and let computers and idiots in the media decide which two teams should play for the title.

And isn't that telling? You never hear people saying the NCAA tournament sucks. But yet plent of intelligent people have come to the conclusion that the BCS sucks. Hmmm... which championship is better? Hmmm...
 
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I didn't know playing football in the rain wasn't playing football.
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It is, but you miss the point. Teams have 12 games to prove how good they are against all kinds of teams and in all kinds of field conditions. Judge them on that. Don't pretend that some playoff game is somehow magic.

Let's look at your proposal for an 8 team playoff with a couple of very reasonable assumptions. Dickson stays healthy and Oregon wins out. Ok beats Mo. Tenn beats LSU. BC beats Va Tech.

Your five teams are now OSU, Tenn, BC, Oregon and Oklahoma. You have to take Hawaii because they are undefeated, right?

Now pick two from:
USC
ASU
LSU
Florida
Georgia
Va Tech
West Virginia
Missouri
Kansas

And tell the fans of the other 7 schools that Hawaii earned their spot.

Wow. This works.

The polls are hosed. The BCS is hosed. Every playoff proposal I have seen is hosed.

But guess what? CFB ain't broke and don't need fixed.

The folks who want to see a playoff are the same folks who ignore College BBall till March and MLB till October.

I watch CFB all year long and it is fantastic. Far better than March Madness.

And Hail to Michigan is right on. What's wrong with controversy? An eight team playoff only proves that if you keep dividing 8 by 2 you will eventually get to one. It says nothing about who is the best - it just let's us pretend we have proven something unprovable.

The 1998 MSU game was the most painful of OSU memories. In a playoff system that game meant nothing. But that pain is what made 2002 so incredible.

Leave it alone. Let the 12 game season count.
 
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OH10;1007022; said:
And isn't that telling? You never hear people saying the NCAA tournament sucks. But yet plent of intelligent people have come to the conclusion that the BCS sucks. Hmmm... which championship is better? Hmmm...
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On the other hand, many folks will say that the regular season in college basketball is almost meaningless; while almost nobody will say that about college football.
 
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