College Playoff

[Thump]

If I-AA, II, and III teams and their fans can do it, sure as fuck Ohio State and their fans can do it.

But they are played at one team's home field, not a neutral bowl site.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

Conference champs should form the playoff teams. obviously problems with that if you dont win outright -

YSU won a national title under Tressel after finishing third in their conference (lost to both teams finishing ahead of them), and neither of those two teams whined when YSU won the title.

 

[jwinslow]

YSU won a national title under Tressel after finishing third in their conference (lost to both teams finishing ahead of them), and neither of those two teams whined when YSU won the title.

That's nice. Wouldn't be the case in I-A football, teams and fans alike.

 

[Muck]

Conference champs should form the playoff teams. obviously problems with that if you dont win outright -

Heretofore to be known as the Oklahoma rule.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

That's nice. Wouldn't be the case in I-A football, teams and fans alike.

Glad you can vouch for all 119 teams and the tens of millions of fans...

 

[Best Buckeye]

First some thoughts and then my reasons why we should not have a playoff system.
Last year the playoff pros argued that there should be a playoff because "what if there were 3 undefeateds" this year among the 1 loss team that are considered "in" it there is no way the Buckeyes belong in the NC game. at least if you listen to the sports media. If the SEC was such a great conference each team would all have equal records.
If LSU was so great they wouldn't have lost to teams with 4 and 5 losses. If USC was so great they wouldn't have three losses. Yet the talking heads think that USC is better.
I personally don't like the idea of a playoff because it
1. further commercializes the game of collegiate football.
2. Even if a playoff system is agreed to there will still be dissention just because "MYTeam' isn't in it and they beat so and so.
3.it adds games to arrive at the same conclusion.
There are also reason s why the BCS and the colleges don't want a playoff.
1. to protect the bowl games which would suffer a huge loss pretige wise and monetarily.
2. because they don't want to suffer the loss of revenues from away games replacing home games

 

[ScarletBlood31]

First some thoughts and then my reasons why we should not have a playoff system.
Last year the playoff pros argued that there should be a playoff because "what if there were 3 undefeateds" this year among the 1 loss team that are considered "in" it there is no way the Buckeyes belong in the NC game. at least if you listen to the sports media. If the SEC was such a great conference each team would all have equal records.
If LSU was so great they wouldn't have lost to teams with 4 and 5 losses. If USC was so great they wouldn't have three losses. Yet the talking heads think that USC is better.
I personally don't like the idea of a playoff because it
1. further commercializes the game of collegiate football.
2. Even if a playoff system is agreed to there will still be dissention just because "MYTeam' isn't in it and they beat so and so.
3.it adds games to arrive at the same conclusion.
There are also reason s why the BCS and the colleges don't want a playoff.
1. to protect the bowl games which would suffer a huge loss pretige wise and monetarily.
2. beacuse they don't want to suffer the loss of revenues from away games replacing home games

So is it fair that West Virginia should have the inside track to the NC game over Ohio State, even though both of them are one-loss teams? Is South Florida a better team than Illinois? Or before LSU lost to Arkansas, do they have a more legitimate loss with Kentucky?

IMO, you can can sometimes differentiate between one-loss teams an undefeated teams, (and even that can become hazy sometimes), but it is unfair to judge teams and losses as being better than one another. If West Virginia had lost to Cincinatti, later in the season, rather than South Florida, they would be out of the NC picture. But since they lost early, they have another chance at it, while tOSU has to hope for other teams to drop even though they have only lost once, to a good Illinois team.

I'm not even trying to be an Ohio State homer, because this is a problem that affects many teams. If you set up a 6 or 8 team playoff, then you atleast give more teams a chance to redeem themselves when they have the capability to beat anyone in the country.

 

[Best Buckeye]

So is it fair that West Virginia should have the inside track to the NC game over Ohio State, even though both of them are one-loss teams? Is South Florida a better team than Illinois? Or before LSU lost to Arkansas, do they have a more legitimate loss with Kentucky?

IMO, you can can sometimes differentiate between one-loss teams an undefeated teams, (and even that can become hazy sometimes), but it is unfair to judge teams and losses as being better than one another. If West Virginia had lost to Cincinatti, later in the season, rather than South Florida, they would be out of the NC picture. But since they lost early, they have another chance at it, while tOSU has to hope for other teams to drop even though they have only lost once, to a good Illinois team.

I'm not even trying to be an Ohio State homer, because this is a problem that affects many teams. If you set up a 6 or 8 team playoff, then you atleast give more teams a chance to redeem themselves when they have the capability to beat anyone in the country.

And then after the playoffs are over would you want another one to give ceratin teams another chance to redeem themselves?
Every team already had their chance when they played their schedule. If they had won then there would be no talk of a playoff from them.
Only the losing teams argue for a playoff along with the sports media who would of course make more money.

 

[OH10]

Imagine if we had the BCS in all other sports:

We could just choose, subjectively, at the end of the regular season the two best teams. Then those teams would play for the title, and the other teams could play in fun little exhibitions in warm areas around the country.

I mean, seriously, why do we need a playoff to see that West Virginia is better than Ohio State? I've seen both teams play. Maybe they don't have any common opponents. Maybe West Virginia's schedule was a little easier. But I can tell that WVU is better, and therefore they are in and Ohio State is eliminated.

God forbid we decide after they play on the field who is better.

1. further commercializes the game of collegiate football.

Wrong. In fact, the real reason there's no playoff is because companies like Tostitos and Outback are concerned that their product would lose the advertising - which in turn could lead to less money for universities. It's a money thing - not a competition thing.

2. Even if a playoff system is agreed to there will still be dissention just because "MYTeam' isn't in it and they beat so and so.

Just like the NCAA tournament where the 66th team bitches. Who cares? Someone is always going to complain. But the more teams included, the stronger the validity for the champion. I'm sorry, but last year's Syracuse basketball team has about ZERO right to bitch compared to 2005 Auburn. (who have EVERY RIGHT TO BITCH).

3.it adds games to arrive at the same conclusion.

Incorrect. If there were a playoff this year, teams like Ohio State, Georgia, USC, LSU, etc.. (whomever is included) could certainly change a pre-determined result of either Mizzou or West Virginia.

It's silly to assume that the Mizzou or WVU wouldn't have 2 or more losses in the SEC. That's what college football is all about... assumptions. It's so stupid.

1. to protect the bowl games which would suffer a huge loss pretige wise and monetarily.

As a fan, I don't care. How many give a shit about winning the fucking Sun Bowl or the Insight.com bowl?

2. because they don't want to suffer the loss of revenues from away games replacing home games

Makes no sense. If anything, a playoff system might give the northern teams a chance to drag those southern pussies up here to play in some real elements at our home stadiums.

 

[OH10]

Every team already had their chance when they played their schedule.

If only all schedules were created equally. That's dumbest argument for the BCS I've heard. West Virginia just might be in the BCS title game every year under that scenario playing the Big East... which is obviously an equal conference to the Pac-10 and SEC.

 

[Best Buckeye]

If only all schedules were created equally. That's dumbest argument for the BCS I've heard. West Virginia just might be in the BCS title game every year under that scenario playing the Big East... which is obviously an equal conference to the Pac-10 and SEC.

You really think the Big east is equal to the pac ten or SEC? right after the best team in the BE just put 66 or so on the 2nd best?
Also there is no way the US of A could subjectively choose the two best teams unless of course we did it the way we are doing it now, on the field.
As far as the Bowls go they don't give a shit what you want, they have been partners with the NCAA and college football for many a year and if you or anyone else thinks either of them are going to throw that away you and / or they have been hitting the doobies too much.

 

[OH10]

You really think the Big east is equal to the pac ten or SEC? right after the best team in the BE just put 66 or so on the 2nd best?

Maybe I should have used my sarcasm font. But you just proved my point. You can't simply look objectively at the records of teams in seperate conferences and say, that's it, West Virginia is better than Georigia and USC. It's a stupid way to peg a national title matchup.

Also there is no way the US of A could subjectively choose the two best teams unless of course we did it the way we are doing it now, on the field.

The way we are doing it now is dumb.... plain and simply, dumb and silly.

As far as the Bowls go they don't give a shit what you want, they have been partners with the NCAA and college football for many a year and if you or anyone else thinks either of them are going to throw that away you and / or they have been hitting the doobies too much.

No, I very much doubt they are going to change. It doesn't mean the system isn't dumb.

By the way, let's just go ahead and matchup the Super Bowl now after 11 games. Packers vs. Patriots. Yeah, I know the Packers haven't played the Cowboys yet, but I can tell who is better. They don't need to play it on the field.

 

[Best Buckeye]

By the way, let's just go ahead and matchup the Super Bowl now after 11 games. Packers vs. Patriots. Yeah, I know the Packers haven't played the Cowboys yet, but I can tell who is better. They don't need to play it on the field.

They are not done with their "playoffs"
All I have said is that they have already played it on the field so a playoff isn't needed

 

[OH10]

All I have said is that they have already played it on the field so a playoff isn't needed

Really? They have? Awesome. Who won when they played? West Virginia or Ohio State? Missouri or Georgia?

By the way, the NBA has decided to cancel the results of the last season and just have Detroit play Dallas in the NBA Finals.

 

[Best Buckeye]

Really? They have? Awesome. Who won when they played? West Virginia or Ohio State? Missouri or Georgia?

By the way, the NBA has decided to cancel the results of the last season and just have Detroit play Dallas in the NBA Finals.

Make up your mind if you are going to post about the NFL or NCaa. You just applied what I said about the NFL (with the sarcasm) to college ball. you are now boring me.
If you have a reason why there should be a playoff post it.