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Piney;2121320; said:
I think it's only a matter of time, though. A four-team format is just the beginning. Once playoffs start, and the money starts to flow (or, rather, to shift its flow from one pocket to another), we'll have a larger and larger playoff every time the question comes up.
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While that might happen, it won't happen anytime soon. I am willing to bet all I own that this plan will have a LONG contract prohibiting expansion of the playoff past 4 teams for at least 10-15 years.
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I think it'll happen much quicker than 15-20 years. Look at the several iterations of the BCS we've had in just the past 13 years.
 
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knapplc;2121332; said:
I think it'll happen much quicker than 15-20 years. Look at the several iterations of the BCS we've had in just the past 13 years.
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Yeah but it was just tweaks to the mechanics of the BCS, ie forumlas and such. But the base premise has never changed, two teams playing in the title game.

So if they start at 4, I doubt they will add more teams anytime soon. Will it change? It could... they can start off with just conference champions and then allow wildcards, or vice versa. Or if they have some forumla that determines the teams that formula can change. Or they might start with having bowls be the home of the semi-finals and then when attendance is horrible or the next bowl scandal happens they would move it to on-campus sites. But having more than 4 teams? That won't happen for at least 15 years.
 
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Piney;2121343; said:
Yeah but it was just tweaks to the mechanics of the BCS, ie forumlas and such. But the base premise has never changed, two teams playing in the title game.
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And they've seen that dispite their tweaks it still sucks. They won't want to lock themselves down with another systems for long period. They'll go the four-team route for only 4-5 years and then use any "controversy" as an excuse to expand to either eight or 16 teams.
 
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Buckeyeskickbuttocks;2121323; said:
1 - The NCAA will fuck it up, whatever the resolution to the Playoff debate is
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What was the last thing that the NCAA did that WASN'T a fuck-up? The only thing I can think of that the NCAA did right was reversing their decision to start the game clock at the moment the ball is kicked on kick-offs. But I'm not counting that because it's reversing their own stupid decision, so other than that one season, the net change was zero.

Also, I think that there's no way that the NCAA can do this where it makes everyone happy. Even if they take all who don't want a playoff, and send us on an all-expenses paid trip to Saturn, they can't make all the pro-playoff fans happy with any single format. Use the current or a tweaked BCS formula, and people will be pissed. Use 4 super-conference champions, and people will be pissed. Use a committee (like the NCAA basketball tournaments) and people will be pissed.
 
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knapplc;2120785; said:
I suppose you could label a working solution that has been deemed best by just about everyone for thousands of years as a "lemming" action...
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Knappl, just out of curiosity, where are you getting this claim from that playoffs have been the widely preferred postseason format of mankind for "literally millennia"? Did somebody find clay pots from the Bronze Age, proving that Sumerian farmers preferred playoffs?
 
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zincfinger;2121847; said:
Knappl, just out of curiosity, where are you getting this claim from that playoffs have been the widely preferred postseason format of mankind for "literally millennia"? Did somebody find clay pots from the Bronze Age, proving that Sumerian farmers preferred playoffs?
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I took him to mean it as a reference to ancient Greek Olympics ... I'm not sure I'd say those competitions were "playoffs" and I was going to take some issue with it and refer to a post I made a few years back which outlined the purpose of playoffs originally. Perhaps I'll link it in a few for those who are interested. In any event, I didn't take issue with it at the time as it certainly would have been some manner of "bracketed" competition I would have to think (Olympic sports like wrestling, for example, which was known by the ancient Greeks). I don't know that to be a fact (the bracketed competition) but didn't want to research it and assumed it anyway myself.
 
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zincfinger;2121847; said:
Knappl, just out of curiosity, where are you getting this claim from that playoffs have been the widely preferred postseason format of mankind for "literally millennia"? Did somebody find clay pots from the Bronze Age, proving that Sumerian farmers preferred playoffs?
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The 2189 BCE semifinal match between Gilgamesh and Nimrod was EPIC!
 
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Buckeyeskickbuttocks;2121854; said:
I took him to mean it as a reference to ancient Greek Olympics ... I'm not sure I'd say those competitions were "playoffs" and I was going to take some issue with it and refer to a post I made a few years back which outlined the purpose of playoffs originally. Perhaps I'll link it in a few for those who are interested. In any event, I didn't take issue with it at the time as it certainly would have been some manner of "bracketed" competition I would have to think (Olympic sports like wrestling, for example, which was known by the ancient Greeks). I don't know that to be a fact (the bracketed competition) but didn't want to research it and assumed it anyway myself.
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Not to mention that it's a fallacious argument any way. (Appeal to Tradition)
 
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zincfinger;2121847; said:
Knappl, just out of curiosity, where are you getting this claim from that playoffs have been the widely preferred postseason format of mankind for "literally millennia"? Did somebody find clay pots from the Bronze Age, proving that Sumerian farmers preferred playoffs?
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It always comes back to farmers with you. I swear I do not wear coveralls, nor do I have corn cobs sticking out of my pockets. :biggrin:


Anyway, BKB is right about Greek wrestling "tournaments," which were similar - but not the same as - modern playoffs. You could draw up a bracket of these competitions that resembles a modern bracket. Often they were seeded by lot and as often winners were reseeded, but this was not always the case. Is it exactly the same? No. But it is similar enough for the accuracy level required of an internet convo.


EDIT - it's possible I thought I was responding to someone else, hence the joke about coveralls and corn cobs. That's not embarrassing, and I am not embarrassed about it. So there.
 
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