College Football Playoff (2015-16 Season)

[Jake]

I refuse to believe a two-loss Stanford get in ahead of Ohio State by beating a USC team - that would then have 5 losses - a second time. I'm still where I was Saturday: Florida won't beat Bama and there's no way a one-loss SEC champ gets left out, so our only hope is Carolina knocks off Clemson and the committee chooses us.

 

[Gcashwell]

I refuse to believe a two-loss Stanford get in ahead of Ohio State by beating a USC team - that would then have 5 losses - a second time. I'm still where I was Saturday: Florida won't beat Bama and there's no way a one-loss SEC champ gets left out, so our only hope is Carolina knocks off Clemson and the committee chooses us.

I tend to agree with you . Does the committee think a conference championship overshadows a loss? That's the question.

 

[SEREbuckeye]

Media already starting to lay the groundwork for the scenario I have been espousing:

How Ohio State could overcome a lack of conference title to reach CFP

For the record I put OSU's odds at about 35% because that is what the odds are UNC beats Clemson and yes, I believe that is all it will take.

CFP doesn't want a UNC, Stanford or any other off brand if they don't absolutely have to take them.

People complain that the playoff committee goes a lot off brand recognition. Guess what? It's true. But building a household name in college sports is part of the game. Teams like Texas, USC, Ohio State, and TTUN have busted their asses to get head coaches and athletic department leadership that will build their empires in multi-million dollar successes on a national scale.

It's like when people say that a coach does more with less. So what? Recruiting high level talent is part of the job. Quit offering excuses. The name Ohio State didn't happen overnight. It's why a guy like Jerry Kill was loved so much at Minnesota. He busted his ass, shopping the gophers to boosters and funneling in money to the program. If you don't like where your product (team) is at on the market - build it bigger. This is America.

 

[Jaxbuck]

I tend to agree with you . Does the committee think a conference championship overshadows a loss? That's the question.

Committees guide book says they use certain criteria as a tie breaker, the one from last year that everyone is clinging onto was conference championship.

they also clearly give themselves the opportunity to say "team A looks better than team B, therefore no tie breaker need be used because there is no tie...A>B"

section 10 has already spelled out their plan for a "displaced conference champion" which leads one to believe they prepared themselves for the day when a power 5 conference champion wasn't one of the 4 best teams

 

[scooter1369]

When three of the top six teams are in one conference, and the perceived top two are in the same division, the committee can rightfully view the MSU/OSU game as the actual conference championship, especially if Sparty rips Iowa. They could easily put MSU at #3 and Ohio State at #4, setting up a potential all B1G final, that would surely cause the bible belt to implode.

 

[UpNorth_Buckeye]

When three of the top six teams are in one conference, and the perceived top two are in the same division, the committee can rightfully view the MSU/OSU game as the actual conference championship, especially if Sparty rips Iowa. They could easily put MSU at #3 and Ohio State at #4, setting up a potential all B1G final, that would surely cause the bible belt to implode.

You could make an argument MSU should be #1 if Clemson loses. Definitely better resume than a similarly one loss Oklahoma, and IMO a better resume than Bama. Maybe they put them at #2 though behind Bama. Could also depend on if they wanted/didn't want MSU/OSU in the first semi-final.

 

[Jake]

I tend to agree with you . Does the committee think a conference championship overshadows a loss? That's the question.

If I'm being honest with myself, and ignore Ohio State is involved, my answer is yes given Carolina would have beaten an undefeated team in the title game. It would be different if they won the title game against a four-loss team.

We picked the wrong time to lose to the wrong team, at home, against a back up QB. We have no one to blame but ourselves if we're left out. That said, I still hope we find a way in.

 

[UpNorth_Buckeye]

If I'm being honest with myself, and ignore Ohio State is involved, my answer is yes given Carolina would have beaten an undefeated team in the title game. It would be different if they won the title game against a four-loss team.

We picked the wrong time to lose to the wrong team, at home, against a back up QB. We have no one to blame but ourselves if we're left out. That said, I still hope we find a way in.

The committee really would be setting a bad precedent, no matter who they choose. Do you choose:

Team A: 2 loss conference champion who beat an 8-4 team in the championship
Team B: 1 loss conference champion who plays in arguably the weakest conference and lost to a 3-9 team and also played TWO FCS opponents
Team C: 1 loss non-conference champion in arguably the strongest conference who lost to the #1/2 team on a last second FG in a storm that helped greatly neutralize their offensive style

I bet the committee is praying Bama and Clemson win. Or either NC or Stanford blows their opponent out of the water. I also think a massive win by MSU over Iowa would help.

 

[UpNorth_Buckeye]

North Carolina's OOC Schedule: L vs. 3-9 South Carolina, W vs. 5-7 Illinois, two wins vs. FCS. And their regular season has had them facing zero team in the top 40 of the country. Not only am I more certain that a drubbing of Clemson would be needed, but I now have less confidence they can match up with Clemson.

 

[buckeyesin07]

The committee really would be setting a bad precedent, no matter who they choose. Do you choose:

Team A: 2 loss conference champion who beat an 8-4 team in the championship
Team B: 1 loss conference champion who plays in arguably the weakest conference and lost to a 3-9 team and also played TWO FCS opponents
Team C: 1 loss non-conference champion in arguably the strongest conference who lost to the #1/2 team on a last second FG in a storm that helped greatly neutralize their offensive style

I bet the committee is praying Bama and Clemson win. Or either NC or Stanford blows their opponent out of the water. I also think a massive win by MSU over Iowa would help.

I hear you, but the safest play for the committee is Team B (UNC) who, they could also point out, just beat the #1 team in the land. Problem with Team C is that the fan of any one-loss team could always find a number of reasons to dress that loss up.

 

[Jaxbuck]

I'm curious why you guys think the CFP panel is worried about setting a precedent or praying that teams don't get upset so they don't have to make tough choices?

The power 5 conferences are all signed on and contractually obligated, they aren't going anywhere if one of them should get pissy about being left out.

The fans certainly aren't going to just not watch as a protest to the injustice of it all or any of that BWI level nonsense.

Why would the CFP panel care what sports message board posters/media/fans in general think about the 4 teams?

 

[shiloh]

Re: Stanford this has probably already been mentioned ...

NW 16 ~ Stanford 6
TTUN 38 ~ NW 0
Ohio State 42 ~ TTUN 13

Kinda feel sorry for Stanford because imo they are in the best conference, but regardless no way they end up ahead of Ohio State. If the Buckeyes get left out, pity the victim er sacrifice er team that gets picked to play them in the bowl game 'cause can be very nasty when he wants to be.

Have mentioned the eye test in the other thread, but the problem w/the eye test is Michigan State dominated Ohio State's offensive and defensive line of scrimmage the whole frickin' game, bad weather and two rookie qb's aside. Shit happens!

And if not for a fumble/botched punt return/missed field goal, MSU would have won 20-0.

Keep hope alive !!!

 

[kujirakira]

I refuse to believe a two-loss Stanford get in ahead of Ohio State by beating a USC team - that would then have 5 losses - a second time. I'm still where I was Saturday: Florida won't beat Bama and there's no way a one-loss SEC champ gets left out, so our only hope is Carolina knocks off Clemson and the committee chooses us.

I think the chance of the committee choosing a non-conf champ, attractive though they may be, over a conf champ with same record that just defeated #1 is about the same - if not less - than Florida beating Bama.
Neither are very likely. Skull fucking somebody in Pasadena is not a bad ending though.

 

[kujirakira]

I'm curious why you guys think the CFP panel is worried about setting a precedent or praying that teams don't get upset so they don't have to make tough choices?

The power 5 conferences are all signed on and contractually obligated, they aren't going anywhere if one of them should get pissy about being left out.

The fans certainly aren't going to just not watch as a protest to the injustice of it all or any of that BWI level nonsense.

Why would the CFP panel care what sports message board posters/media/fans in general think about the 4 teams?

I think they've demonstrated they dgaf about most of that time and again.
On the other hand, I'm not sold that their votes are bought by tv ratings like you either.
The fact is that we had the better resume last year and that last win in Indy was dominant enough to pause any internal naysayers.

 

[UpNorth_Buckeye]

I think the chance of the committee choosing a non-conf champ, attractive though they may be, over a conf champ with same record that just defeated #1 is about the same - if not less - than Florida beating Bama.
Neither are very likely. Skull fucking somebody in Pasadena is not a bad ending though.

I just can't get over their schedule though. They pick OSU, and they set a precedent that you don't NEED to win your conference, but it is still a factor. They pick UNC, and they set a precedent that you don't NEED to face FBS opponents in the OOC, all you need to do is face a bunch of FCS cup cakes and win your conference. Even with a bad loss.